From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/06/26 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07090; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:30:11 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa26631; 26 Jun 96 17:21 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa11630; 26 Jun 96 17:21 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Prehistoric UNIX licenses Cc: belal@sco.COM Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 17:20:21 PDT Message-Id: <9606261720.aa14354@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2623 Status: ROr SCO owns the licensing rights all versions of the UNIX system, or so our legal folks tell me. Now, of course there are many derivative, licensed versions, and some of the holders of those licenses have rights to sublicense. In the case of BSD enhancements, the Berkeley additions are owned by the Regents of the University of California, and I believe the UCB license terms are well known. As for your friends who have rescued ancient PDP machines... I am confident that SCO would cheerfully encourage them to run UNIX on these antiques without any payment to us. I cant quite officially give that permission myself, but I can speculate that SCO certainly would not mind. So go for it. Does this help? -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com SCO Product Manager - Development Systems and Various Other Stuff 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au> > Newsgroups: > Subject: Who Owns 7th Edition Unix? > Date: 24 Jun 1996 05:17:14 GMT > > As a contact person for information about running UNIX on PDP-11s, I often > get asked for a copy of [6th, 7th, 2.9BSD, 2.11BSD] UNIX. All of the requests > I've had are from single-users who have saved a PDP-11 from the dumpster and > would like to run UNIX on it `just for the hell of it'. In every case, I have > sadly denied the request as they don't have a license. I assume that these > systems are still covered by licences etc., but this begs the questions > > Who owns [6th, 7th, 2.9BSD, 2.11BSD] UNIX? and > Who can sell licenses for these systems? > > I know that HP and SCO have bought the SysVR4 source code from Novell, > and that AT&T is definitely not the legal custodians of the PDP-11 versions, > but exactly who is? > > If anybody out there knows who at HP or SCO to talk to, I'd be very grateful > of an email reply with that information. This is all for historical perversity, > and I can't imagine anybody doing any commercial work with UNIX on an -11 that > they can't do with Free/NetBSD or Linux on a 386. > > Many thanks, and see http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/ for more info. > > Cheers, > Warren Toomey wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au > > -- > > Copyright (c) 1995, Warren Toomey. Microsoft Network is prohibited from > redistributing this work in any form, in whole or in part, without a license. > License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for $1000. > Posting without permission constitutes an agreement to these terms. > > --- End of forwarded article from Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au> >
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/06/27 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21292; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:25:33 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa19759; 27 Jun 96 7:59 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa21488; 27 Jun 96 8:00 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses Cc: dionj@sco.COM Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 7:59:48 PDT Message-Id: <9606270759.aa19574@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2211 Status: ROr If you want it to be an official letter, it's a whole different ballgame. I will see what I can find out, but it will take a while. Thanks for your interest. From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses To: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:58:42 +1000 (EST) Cc: Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au> In atricle by Dion: > > SCO owns the licensing rights all versions of the UNIX system, or > so our legal folks tell me. Now, of course there are many > derivative, licensed versions, and some of the holders of those > licenses have rights to sublicense. In the case of BSD > enhancements, the Berkeley additions are owned by the Regents of > the University of California, and I believe the UCB license terms > are well known. > > As for your friends who have rescued ancient PDP machines... I > am confident that SCO would cheerfully encourage them to run UNIX > on these antiques without any payment to us. I cant quite > officially give that permission myself, but I can speculate that > SCO certainly would not mind. > > So go for it. Does this help? > -Dion Dion, thanks very much for your email, in fact I'm ecstatic! I know this could be a tricky legal minefield, so if possible could SCO draft a letter (and run it past their lawyers) which sets out exactly what you said above. In particular, you said that ``SCO would cheerfully encourage them to run UNIX on these antiques without any payment to us''. Does this mean I can legally distribute the source code to the PDP versions of UNIX, and to anybody? or just to people who own PDP-11s. There are PDP-11 emulators available, so it is conceivable that people who don't even have a real PDP-11 might like to try UNIX out on these emulators. If to anybody, then I assume this means the source is legally owned by SCO but freely distributable? I really appreciate your offer of making these old versions of UNIX available, but given the legal status of the code to this point, I would like to cover myself with an officially blessed and signed document from SCO. Let me know what you can do, and many many thanks again for this! Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/06/27 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21715; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:50:10 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa26403; 27 Jun 96 16:48 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa19522; 27 Jun 96 16:48 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 16:47:35 PDT Message-Id: <9606271647.aa26830@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1647 Status: ROr Warren, I asked our licensing folks back East. They said there is no problem in similar licensees exchanging software among themselves. In other words, your friend who resurrected the PDP-11 can be considered a licensee since his machine did once have a UNIX license, and if he agrees to the same terms as your license states. And if he is therefore also a licensee, you can provide him with copies of the software. They are not willing to write a letter because they are busy writing up real revenue deals. I recommend you go ahead and provide the necessary UNIX code to your university colleagues who have restored PDP-11s, as needed, with the understanding that they are licensees also, as deduced by the above rationalization. I hope this works well enough. -Dion From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses To: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:34:11 +1000 (EST) Cc: Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au> In atricle by Dion: > If you want it to be an official letter, it's a whole different ballgame. > I will see what I can find out, but it will take a while. I can imagine! I think in your original email you meant that SCO wouldn't take legal action against someone who distributed PDP UNIXs, but at the same time SCO wouldn't make it officially legal. Even if I can get a signed statement like that from someone there, that would be good. I don't think you guys are going to let the PDP UNIXs be legally freely redistributable, but perhaps we can reach a middle ground somewhere?! Many thanks for your effort and support in this. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/06/27 Return-Path: <wkt> Received: by dolphin (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02723; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:58:42 +1000 From: wkt (Warren Toomey) Message-Id: <9606270158.AA02723@dolphin> Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:58:42 +1000 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <9606261720.aa14354@mother.sco.com> from "Dion" at Jun 26, 96 05:20:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1814 Status: RO In atricle by Dion: > > SCO owns the licensing rights all versions of the UNIX system, or > so our legal folks tell me. Now, of course there are many > derivative, licensed versions, and some of the holders of those > licenses have rights to sublicense. In the case of BSD > enhancements, the Berkeley additions are owned by the Regents of > the University of California, and I believe the UCB license terms > are well known. > > As for your friends who have rescued ancient PDP machines... I > am confident that SCO would cheerfully encourage them to run UNIX > on these antiques without any payment to us. I cant quite > officially give that permission myself, but I can speculate that > SCO certainly would not mind. > > So go for it. Does this help? > -Dion Dion, thanks very much for your email, in fact I'm ecstatic! I know this could be a tricky legal minefield, so if possible could SCO draft a letter (and run it past their lawyers) which sets out exactly what you said above. In particular, you said that ``SCO would cheerfully encourage them to run UNIX on these antiques without any payment to us''. Does this mean I can legally distribute the source code to the PDP versions of UNIX, and to anybody? or just to people who own PDP-11s. There are PDP-11 emulators available, so it is conceivable that people who don't even have a real PDP-11 might like to try UNIX out on these emulators. If to anybody, then I assume this means the source is legally owned by SCO but freely distributable? I really appreciate your offer of making these old versions of UNIX available, but given the legal status of the code to this point, I would like to cover myself with an officially blessed and signed document from SCO. Let me know what you can do, and many many thanks again for this! Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/06/28 Return-Path: <wkt> Received: by dolphin (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07024; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:34:12 +1000 From: wkt (Warren Toomey) Message-Id: <9606272334.AA07024@dolphin> Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:34:11 +1000 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <9606270759.aa19574@mother.sco.com> from "Dion" at Jun 27, 96 07:59:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 652 Status: RO In atricle by Dion: > > If you want it to be an official letter, it's a whole different ballgame. > I will see what I can find out, but it will take a while. I can imagine! I think in your original email you meant that SCO wouldn't take legal action against someone who distributed PDP UNIXs, but at the same time SCO wouldn't make it officially legal. Even if I can get a signed statement like that from someone there, that would be good. I don't think you guys are going to let the PDP UNIXs be legally freely redistributable, but perhaps we can reach a middle ground somewhere?! Many thanks for your effort and support in this. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/06/29 Return-Path: <wkt> Received: by dolphin (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14511; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:18:20 +1000 From: wkt (Warren Toomey) Message-Id: <9606290418.AA14511@dolphin> Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:18:20 +1000 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <9606271647.aa26830@mother.sco.com> from "Dion" at Jun 27, 96 04:47:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1799 Status: RO In atricle by Dion: > > Warren, > I asked our licensing folks back East. > They are not willing to write a letter because they are busy > writing up real revenue deals. Understandable! > I recommend you go ahead and provide the necessary UNIX code to > your university colleagues who have restored PDP-11s, as needed, > with the understanding that they are licensees also, as > deduced by the above rationalization. > > I hope this works well enough. Hmm, it's the people who have never had a license that are the problem. I've got, say, six people who have saved PDP-11s from the dump, and they would rather run UNIX on them than RT-11. Is there some way that SCO can give them the right to use UNIX? Even a cheap ($100?) single-user license would probably be good enough, but I guess that's more paperwork for you guys. The people who do have licenses (or work for departments with licenses) don't have any problems. They've been exchanging software for years now, as you pointed out. We need a solution that's little or no work for SCO, reasonably cheap for the people currently without licenses, and legally above board. I know that Peter Salus and John Lions are negotiating for the right to publish Lions' commentary on Sixth Edition Unix. Perhaps the SCO folk looking at that problem might be persuaded to consider this problem too, as they are fairly similar. Anyway, I appreciate your help for a situation which isn't going to earn SCO anything, and I'm sure you've got other things to look after. But if you could keep the pot boiling at your end, that would be great. I suspect SCO will get kudos from the Unix community for allowing Lions' book to be published, and would earn similar kudos if they made these antique UNIX versions available too. Thanks for your help! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/07/01 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12072; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:36:07 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa09076; 1 Jul 96 14:30 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa01965; 1 Jul 96 14:30 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 14:29:25 PDT Message-Id: <9607011429.aa05222@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2210 Status: RO I will see if the licensing guys will do anything... From ns.pdev.sco.com!sco.sco.com!dolphin-20.cs.adfa.oz.au!cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Fri Jun 28 21:21:48 1996 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses To: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:18:20 +1000 (EST) Cc: Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au> Status: RO In atricle by Dion: > > Warren, > I asked our licensing folks back East. > They are not willing to write a letter because they are busy > writing up real revenue deals. Understandable! > I recommend you go ahead and provide the necessary UNIX code to > your university colleagues who have restored PDP-11s, as needed, > with the understanding that they are licensees also, as > deduced by the above rationalization. > > I hope this works well enough. Hmm, it's the people who have never had a license that are the problem. I've got, say, six people who have saved PDP-11s from the dump, and they would rather run UNIX on them than RT-11. Is there some way that SCO can give them the right to use UNIX? Even a cheap ($100?) single-user license would probably be good enough, but I guess that's more paperwork for you guys. The people who do have licenses (or work for departments with licenses) don't have any problems. They've been exchanging software for years now, as you pointed out. We need a solution that's little or no work for SCO, reasonably cheap for the people currently without licenses, and legally above board. I know that Peter Salus and John Lions are negotiating for the right to publish Lions' commentary on Sixth Edition Unix. Perhaps the SCO folk looking at that problem might be persuaded to consider this problem too, as they are fairly similar. Anyway, I appreciate your help for a situation which isn't going to earn SCO anything, and I'm sure you've got other things to look after. But if you could keep the pot boiling at your end, that would be great. I suspect SCO will get kudos from the Unix community for allowing Lions' book to be published, and would earn similar kudos if they made these antique UNIX versions available too. Thanks for your help! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/07/15 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27718; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:35:18 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id ab09866; 15 Jul 96 14:24 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id ab03785; 15 Jul 96 14:25 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: PDP Unix - Lions Agreement? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 13:24:04 PDT Message-Id: <9607151324.aa25415@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1457 Status: RO Interesting. I am once again pushing on the bureaucracy to see if we can get this permission for you. From ns.pdev.sco.com!sco.sco.com!dolphin-20.cs.adfa.oz.au!cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Sun Jul 14 17:21:49 1996 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: PDP Unix - Lions Agreement? To: dionj@sco.COM Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:57:12 +1000 (EST) Status: RO Dion, Hi, it's me again. I thought I'd touch base with you on the subject of PDP Unixes. I've just had an interesting email from Peter Salus (peter@usenix.org), who has just negotiated the publication of John Lions' commentary on 6th Edition UNIX (with source code). He says: > The Lions book (which should be out in a few > weeks; it really *is* in production) was negotiated by > me and then ``agreed'' to by Dan Doernberg, the publisher > (dand@commons.ip.portal.com). > Dennis Ritchie and I each wrote to Doug Michels and Mike > Tilson (both VPs at SCO and old UNIX hands) and they > told their lawyers that it was ``OK.'' Thereafter, it > was only a matter of drafting and faxing back and forth. > Why don't you refer Mr. Johnson to Michels and/or > Tilson, referencing the V6 permission? > Peter So it looks like SCO has agreed to the release of PDP UNIX source code, in some form. Perhaps we could use this agreement to work on a way to make PDP UNIX source code available to owners of PDP-11s? Thanks again! Warren wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/09/12 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00160; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:55:20 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa26660; 12 Sep 96 7:50 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa14745; 12 Sep 96 7:51 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: PDP-11 Unix - license agreement? Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 7:50:52 PDT Message-Id: <9609120750.aa11700@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 5338 Status: RO I am pestering the licensing powers again. From ns.pdev.sco.com!sco.sco.com!dolphin-20.cs.adfa.oz.au!cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Wed Sep 11 20:32:32 1996 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: PDP-11 Unix - license agreement? To: dionj@sco.COM Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:25:40 +1000 (EST) Cc: Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au> Dion, A while back I received email from Mike Tilson about the PDP-11 versions of Unix. He said that he would like some sort of hobbyist licenses to be avilable for PDP Unixes, but that SCO had to protect their large investment in the intellectal rights to Unix. He said that any license agreement would have to protect these intellectual rights. Just now, I received an email from Bob Supnik, also a PDP-11 enthusiast which contains the license agreement from DEC for OS/8. Perhaps something along this line, merged with SCO's standard source code license agreements might fit the bill? Finally, Mike Tilson said that you were doing a great job at representing the interests of the PDP-11 enthusiasts. Many thanks for all your efforts! Cheers & thanks again, Warren wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au [attached os/8 license] Digital License Agreement This document is your Proof of License and the legal agreement governing your use of the OS/8 software. 1 DEFINITION SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY shall mean the sources and binaries to the OS/8, an operating system that runs on PDP-8 computers. DIGITAL'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS shall mean DIGITAL's patent, copyright and trade secret rights in its SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. 2 LICENSE GRANT Digital grants to Customer a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license under DIGITAL's INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to reproduce, modify, use and distribute the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY solely for non-commercial uses. 3 TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER AND ACCEPTANCE 3.1 CUSTOMER acknowledges that it accepts the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY "AS IS". 3.2 DIGITAL is under no obligation to supply error corrections or updates to the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY as they become available, or to provide training, support or consulting for the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. 4 WARRANTY DISCLAIMER/LIMITATION OF LIABILITY DIGITAL DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO ANY SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY LICENSED TO CUSTOMER HEREUNDER, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL DIGITAL BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY INFRINGEMENT OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF ANY SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY LICENSE HEREUNDER. 5 INDEMNITY CUSTOMER will hold DIGITAL harmless against all liabilities, demands, damages, expenses, or losses arising out of use by CUSTOMER of SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY or information furnished under this Agreement. 6 TERM AND TERMINATION 6.1 This Agreement shall be effective until otherwise terminated. Either party may terminate this Agreement at any time upon 30 days written notice. 6.2 If CUSTOMER shall fail to perform or observe any of the terms and conditions to be performed or observed by it under this Agreement, DIGITAL may in its sole discretion thereafter elect to terminate this Agreement, and this Agreement and all the obligations owed and rights granted herein to CUSTOMER shall immediately terminate. 6.3 The parties agree that the termination of this Agreement shall not release either party from any other liability which shall have accrued to the other party at the time such termination becomes effective, nor affect in any manner the survival of any right, duty or obligation of either party. 6.4 In the event of any termination of this Agreement for any reason, CUSTOMER shall delete all original and all whole or partial copies and derivatives of the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY provided to CUSTOMER under this Agreement. CUSTOMER further shall cease to use and distribute the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY in all forms immediately upon the date of termination. 7 GENERAL TERMS 7.1 This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. 7.2 This Agreement imposes personal obligations on CUSTOMER. CUSTOMER shall not assign any rights under this Agreement not specifically transferable by its terms without the written consent of DIGITAL. 7.3 The SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY obtained under this Agreement may be subject to US and other government export control regulations. CUSTOMER assures that it will comply with these regulations whenever it exports or re-exports a controlled product or technical data obtained from DIGITAL or any product produced directly from the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. 7.4 The waiver of a breach hereunder may be effected only by a writing signed by the waiving party and shall not constitute a waiver of any other breach. 7.5 CUSTOMER acknowledges that he has read this Agreement, understands it and agrees to be bound by its term and further agrees that it is the complete and exclusive statement of the Agreement between the parties which supersedes all communications and understanding between the parties relating to the subject matter of this Agreement.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/09/12 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01755; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 05:50:03 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa18000; 12 Sep 96 12:47 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa29567; 12 Sep 96 12:48 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: source licenses Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 12:47:31 PDT Message-Id: <9609121247.aa16451@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 996 Status: ROr Greetings, Warren, This is the conclusion after considerable discussion here.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/09/12 Return-Path: <wkt> Received: by dolphin (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21707; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:25:40 +1000 From: wkt (Warren Toomey) Message-Id: <9609120325.AA21707@dolphin> Subject: PDP-11 Unix - license agreement? To: dionj@sco.COM Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:25:40 +1000 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <c=US%a=_%p=Digital%l=CST-960911125958Z-244@cst.ljo.dec.com> from "Bob Supnik" at Sep 11, 96 08:59:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 4880 Status: RO Dion, A while back I received email from Mike Tilson about the PDP-11 versions of Unix. He said that he would like some sort of hobbyist licenses to be avilable for PDP Unixes, but that SCO had to protect their large investment in the intellectal rights to Unix. He said that any license agreement would have to protect these intellectual rights. Just now, I received an email from Bob Supnik, also a PDP-11 enthusiast which contains the license agreement from DEC for OS/8. Perhaps something along this line, merged with SCO's standard source code license agreements might fit the bill? Finally, Mike Tilson said that you were doing a great job at representing the interests of the PDP-11 enthusiasts. Many thanks for all your efforts! Cheers & thanks again, Warren wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au [attached os/8 license] Digital License Agreement This document is your Proof of License and the legal agreement governing your use of the OS/8 software. 1 DEFINITION SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY shall mean the sources and binaries to the OS/8, an operating system that runs on PDP-8 computers. DIGITAL'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS shall mean DIGITAL's patent, copyright and trade secret rights in its SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. 2 LICENSE GRANT Digital grants to Customer a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license under DIGITAL's INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to reproduce, modify, use and distribute the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY solely for non-commercial uses. 3 TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER AND ACCEPTANCE 3.1 CUSTOMER acknowledges that it accepts the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY "AS IS". 3.2 DIGITAL is under no obligation to supply error corrections or updates to the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY as they become available, or to provide training, support or consulting for the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. 4 WARRANTY DISCLAIMER/LIMITATION OF LIABILITY DIGITAL DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO ANY SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY LICENSED TO CUSTOMER HEREUNDER, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL DIGITAL BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY INFRINGEMENT OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF ANY SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY LICENSE HEREUNDER. 5 INDEMNITY CUSTOMER will hold DIGITAL harmless against all liabilities, demands, damages, expenses, or losses arising out of use by CUSTOMER of SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY or information furnished under this Agreement. 6 TERM AND TERMINATION 6.1 This Agreement shall be effective until otherwise terminated. Either party may terminate this Agreement at any time upon 30 days written notice. 6.2 If CUSTOMER shall fail to perform or observe any of the terms and conditions to be performed or observed by it under this Agreement, DIGITAL may in its sole discretion thereafter elect to terminate this Agreement, and this Agreement and all the obligations owed and rights granted herein to CUSTOMER shall immediately terminate. 6.3 The parties agree that the termination of this Agreement shall not release either party from any other liability which shall have accrued to the other party at the time such termination becomes effective, nor affect in any manner the survival of any right, duty or obligation of either party. 6.4 In the event of any termination of this Agreement for any reason, CUSTOMER shall delete all original and all whole or partial copies and derivatives of the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY provided to CUSTOMER under this Agreement. CUSTOMER further shall cease to use and distribute the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY in all forms immediately upon the date of termination. 7 GENERAL TERMS 7.1 This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. 7.2 This Agreement imposes personal obligations on CUSTOMER. CUSTOMER shall not assign any rights under this Agreement not specifically transferable by its terms without the written consent of DIGITAL. 7.3 The SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY obtained under this Agreement may be subject to US and other government export control regulations. CUSTOMER assures that it will comply with these regulations whenever it exports or re-exports a controlled product or technical data obtained from DIGITAL or any product produced directly from the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY. 7.4 The waiver of a breach hereunder may be effected only by a writing signed by the waiving party and shall not constitute a waiver of any other breach. 7.5 CUSTOMER acknowledges that he has read this Agreement, understands it and agrees to be bound by its term and further agrees that it is the complete and exclusive statement of the Agreement between the parties which supersedes all communications and understanding between the parties relating to the subject matter of this Agreement.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/10/01 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04150; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:34:43 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa00709; 1 Oct 96 16:33 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa14176; 1 Oct 96 16:33 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: source licenses Cc: dionj@sco.COM Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 16:33:31 PDT Message-Id: <9610011633.aa20989@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3218 Status: ROr I appreciate your persistence. Very much in the UNIX tradition. :-) Comments below. From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: source licenses To: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:13:58 +1000 (EST) Cc: Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au> In-Reply-To: <9609121247.aa16451@mother.sco.com> from "Dion" at Sep 12, 96 12:47:31 pm In atricle by Dion: > > Greetings, Warren, > > This is the conclusion after considerable discussion here. > > From a legal standpoint, for the kind of license you want, there > is still too much risk of exposure of parts of the UNIX source > code that, even after all these years, is still under trade > secret protection. Bear in mind that if we reliquish trade > secret protection for certain techniques and processes that > exist in the old version, it would also impact the claims > of protection in current product. > > We might consider offering a binary license for old versions of > the UNIX System. This would be accomplished by modifying the > form of the Digital license for the 0S/8. We might be able to > offer something like that if you think it would help. > > But source code looks like a no-go. Thanks for the email Dion, I guess a binary-only license would be better than nothing. However, I had an idea last night. I assume SCO sells source licenses for SysVR4.2 (or whatever the current version is). SCO must believe that the license protects their intellectual property in SysVR4.2. That's right; we do. Take that license & replace `SysVR4.2 UNIX' with `5th, 6th & 7th Edition UNIX'. Now, does this modified source license protect SCO's intellectual property which is in 5th, 6th & 7th Edition UNIX? If so, then would SCO agree to sell this source license? Certainly. I assume that the price tag is not written into the SysVR4.2 source license, and so changing the cost of a `5th, 6th & 7th Edition UNIX' source license would not be too much of a problem. Right again. Can you let me know if there are any problems with this approach? We are willing to sell you a source license, provided we make enough money to cover the cost of writing up a license agreement, getting signatures, etc. Probably costs us a few hundred dollars of legal and processing time. Or maybe we would just consider that a donation to the good of the UNIX culture. But the issue is that this license does not give you the right to provide that source code to anyone else, which is what you want to do. In other words, you are not licensed to SUBLICENSE the source. Now you could argue that we could and should provide this source license directly to your various friends who want to get the source code. OK, we might be able to do this (if volume were not excessive) but there would have to be a license for each one, which (as I recall) violated your desire to be able to supply the source code easily and directly from your site. Does this make sense? -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com SCO Product Manager - Development Systems and Various Other Stuff 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/10/02 Return-Path: <wkt> Received: by dolphin (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01743; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:13:58 +1000 From: wkt (Warren Toomey) Message-Id: <9610012313.AA01743@dolphin> Subject: Re: source licenses To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:13:58 +1000 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <9609121247.aa16451@mother.sco.com> from "Dion" at Sep 12, 96 12:47:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1649 Status: RO In atricle by Dion: > > Greetings, Warren, > > This is the conclusion after considerable discussion here. > > From a legal standpoint, for the kind of license you want, there > is still too much risk of exposure of parts of the UNIX source > code that, even after all these years, is still under trade > secret protection. Bear in mind that if we reliquish trade > secret protection for certain techniques and processes that > exist in the old version, it would also impact the claims > of protection in current product. > > We might consider offering a binary license for old versions of > the UNIX System. This would be accomplished by modifying the > form of the Digital license for the 0S/8. We might be able to > offer something like that if you think it would help. > > But source code looks like a no-go. Thanks for the email Dion, I guess a binary-only license would be better than nothing. However, I had an idea last night. I assume SCO sells source licenses for SysVR4.2 (or whatever the current version is). SCO must believe that the license protects their intellectual property in SysVR4.2. Take that license & replace `SysVR4.2 UNIX' with `5th, 6th & 7th Edition UNIX'. Now, does this modified source license protect SCO's intellectual property which is in 5th, 6th & 7th Edition UNIX? If so, then would SCO agree to sell this source license? I assume that the price tag is not written into the SysVR4.2 source license, and so changing the cost of a `5th, 6th & 7th Edition UNIX' source license would not be too much of a problem. Can you let me know if there are any problems with this approach? Thanks again! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/10/18 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22895; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 01:17:28 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa15703; 18 Oct 96 8:18 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa02014; 18 Oct 96 8:19 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: source licenses Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 8:18:52 PDT Message-Id: <9610180818.aa10064@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2473 Status: ROr There is no problem with providing YOU with a source license. Nor is there any problem with providing a source license to EACH of your friends who want that code, except for the administrative expense of doing so. The problem is that source code cannot be sublicensed. That is, once you have it, you are not allowed to provide it to anyone else. And this is what you want to do. From ns.pdev.sco.com!sco.sco.com!dolphin-20.cs.adfa.oz.au!cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Tue Oct 1 16:22:34 1996 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: source licenses To: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:13:58 +1000 (EST) Cc: Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au> In-Reply-To: <9609121247.aa16451@mother.sco.com> from "Dion" at Sep 12, 96 12:47:31 pm Status: RO In atricle by Dion: > > Greetings, Warren, > > This is the conclusion after considerable discussion here. > > From a legal standpoint, for the kind of license you want, there > is still too much risk of exposure of parts of the UNIX source > code that, even after all these years, is still under trade > secret protection. Bear in mind that if we reliquish trade > secret protection for certain techniques and processes that > exist in the old version, it would also impact the claims > of protection in current product. > > We might consider offering a binary license for old versions of > the UNIX System. This would be accomplished by modifying the > form of the Digital license for the 0S/8. We might be able to > offer something like that if you think it would help. > > But source code looks like a no-go. Thanks for the email Dion, I guess a binary-only license would be better than nothing. However, I had an idea last night. I assume SCO sells source licenses for SysVR4.2 (or whatever the current version is). SCO must believe that the license protects their intellectual property in SysVR4.2. Take that license & replace `SysVR4.2 UNIX' with `5th, 6th & 7th Edition UNIX'. Now, does this modified source license protect SCO's intellectual property which is in 5th, 6th & 7th Edition UNIX? If so, then would SCO agree to sell this source license? I assume that the price tag is not written into the SysVR4.2 source license, and so changing the cost of a `5th, 6th & 7th Edition UNIX' source license would not be too much of a problem. Can you let me know if there are any problems with this approach? Thanks again! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/10/21 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14402; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:47:04 +1000 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa11717; 21 Oct 96 14:46 PDT Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa29690; 21 Oct 96 14:46 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: source licenses Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 14:46:14 PDT Message-Id: <9610211446.aa06461@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4235 Status: ROr Earlier, you said you wanted to distribute this source. The problem is back to where we started. We dont want to distribute/license this source because it is costly and I want our licensing/sales people to be doing other things. And our legal people say that you cant sublicense (distribute) it. So we can give YOU a license, but you cant give a license to anyone else. And we do not want to provide licenses to all your friends. From dionj Thu Jun 27 07:59:48 1996 From: dionj@sco.com (Dion) To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses Cc: dionj Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 7:59:48 PDT If you want it to be an official letter, it's a whole different ballgame. I will see what I can find out, but it will take a while. Thanks for your interest. From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Prehistoric UNIX licenses To: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:58:42 +1000 (EST) Cc: Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au> In atricle by Dion: > > SCO owns the licensing rights all versions of the UNIX system, or > so our legal folks tell me. Now, of course there are many > derivative, licensed versions, and some of the holders of those > licenses have rights to sublicense. In the case of BSD > enhancements, the Berkeley additions are owned by the Regents of > the University of California, and I believe the UCB license terms > are well known. > > As for your friends who have rescued ancient PDP machines... I > am confident that SCO would cheerfully encourage them to run UNIX > on these antiques without any payment to us. I cant quite > officially give that permission myself, but I can speculate that > SCO certainly would not mind. > > So go for it. Does this help? > -Dion Dion, thanks very much for your email, in fact I'm ecstatic! I know this could be a tricky legal minefield, so if possible could SCO draft a letter (and run it past their lawyers) which sets out exactly what you said above. In particular, you said that ``SCO would cheerfully encourage them to run UNIX on these antiques without any payment to us''. Does this mean I can legally distribute the source code to the PDP versions of UNIX, and to anybody? or just to people who own PDP-11s. There are PDP-11 emulators available, so it is conceivable that people who don't even have a real PDP-11 might like to try UNIX out on these emulators. If to anybody, then I assume this means the source is legally owned by SCO but freely distributable? I really appreciate your offer of making these old versions of UNIX available, but given the legal status of the code to this point, I would like to cover myself with an officially blessed and signed document from SCO. Let me know what you can do, and many many thanks again for this! Cheers, Warren our recent mail: From ns.pdev.sco.com!sco.sco.com!dolphin-20.cs.adfa.oz.au!cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Fri Oct 18 17:37:06 1996 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: source licenses To: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:31:45 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9610180818.aa10064@mother.sco.com> from "Dion" at Oct 18, 96 08:18:52 am In atricle by Dion: > > > There is no problem with providing YOU with a source license. > Nor is there any problem with providing a source license to EACH > of your friends who want that code, except for the administrative > expense of doing so. > > The problem is that source code cannot be sublicensed. That is, > once you have it, you are not allowed to provide it to anyone > else. And this is what you want to do. Argh! No, I don't want to provide it to anyone else, I just want anyone else to be able to get it. Being able to obtain a source license from SCO would be a perfect solution. Believe me, if SCO made source licenses available, I'd be a completely happy person :-) Would SCO make a non-redistributable PDP-11 Unix source license available? Thanks! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/11/25 Return-Path: <mike@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17295; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 04:44:28 +1100 Received: from novasco.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa15302; 25 Nov 96 9:22 PST From: Michael Tilson <mike@sco.COM> To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au, dionj@sco.COM Subject: Survey Results on PDP-11 Unix License X-Mailer: SCO Shell Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 9:22:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <9611250922.aa14005@novasco.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2877 Status: RO I personally think this would be a nice thing to do. As I explained in earlier e-mail, I think there are a number of issues that would require considerably more thought than the effort that went into releasing the Lions book, as this deals with a core of UNIX that is still of value even today (I guess the original authors did a pretty good job!) It would be our product development people who would make such a call. Dion would be the best person to locate the "right party". Given the stress our PD organization is under as we ramp up to our Gemini release (and this includes stress in the legal and contract negotiating staff as well) I would have to caution that this has a small probability of happening any time soon. The issue isn't that people are willing to pay a handling/licensing fee, but rather just the attention needed to do this right (without risk to our core business of UNIX systems) versus the other demands on people's time. I'm not saying this to dampen your enthusiasm, I'd just hate to see those 50 people feeling disappointed because their expectations weren't set properly. As I said, it would be nice for this to happen in some way, and when and if the right people in the development organization become engaged, I'd be happy to provide advice to them. > From sco.sco.com!dolphin-20.cs.adfa.oz.au!cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Sun Nov 24 17:33:37 1996 > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Message-Id: <9611250123.AA08724@dolphin> > Subject: Survey Results on PDP-11 Unix License > To: mike@sco.com, dionj@sco.com > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:23:34 +1100 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Mike, Dion, > I hope you don't mind me bothering you again. I'm running a survey > to find out who would buy individual PDP-11 Unix licenses from SCO. The > questionnaire and the results are at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/ > A quick summary of the 50 submissions is that people would be prepared to > pay around US$200 for a source license to PDP-11 Unix. Preferences are > for full source code (not kernel-only), with v6, v7 & 2BSD being most popular. > People would agree to no license resale, no source redistribution and > non-commercial use, with a 50/50 split as to whether a single-user license > would be ok or not. > Given the availability of the Lions Commentary (and I've emailed Peter Salus > to find out how well the book is selling), I think that more & more people > will be interested in obtaining an on-line copy of the source. > If you would like me to put any other questions into the survey, I'd be more > than glad to! > Thanks again for your time. > Warren wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- //Michael Tilson
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1996/12/03 Return-Path: <mike@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13124; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 06:26:43 +1100 Received: from novasco.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa02987; 3 Dec 96 11:23 PST Received: from mike.sco.com by novasco.sco.com id aa19040; 3 Dec 96 11:23 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961203192313.006d23f0@novasco.sco.com> X-Sender: mike@novasco.sco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 11:23:13 -0800 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au From: Michael Tilson <mike@sco.COM> Subject: fyi; Simulator 2.2d release with demonstration software Cc: dionj@sco.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 3946 Status: ROr You may be interested to learn that SCO has licensed PDP-11 UNIX binary distributions for personal non-commercial education purposes, for Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Edition versions of UNIX for the PDP-11. While this is not source code, it certainly seems of interest to PUPS members. Hope this helps. >>>From: Bob Supnik <bob.supnik@ljo.dec.com> >>>To: ... >>>Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:56:40 -0500 >>> >>>This notice is being posted today in relevant Usenet conferences. >>> Thanks for your help in reaching a major milestone! >>> >>>Computer History Simulators V2.2d: Release Notes >>> >>>V2.2d is a major release of the simulators for the Computer History >>>project. It includes simulators for: >>> >>> - Data General Nova >>> - Digital Equipment Corporation PDP-8 >>> - Digital Equipment Corporation PDP-11 >>> - Digital Equipment Corporation 18b PDP's >>> (PDP-4, PDP-7, PDP-9, PDP-15) >>> - IBM 1401 >>> >>>These simulators are freeware. They are intended for personal or >>>educational use and are provided on an as-is basis. Support is not >>>available, and commercial use is prohibited. See the documentation >>>for debug status for each simulator. >>> >>>This release also includes demonstration software for the PDP-8, >>>PDP-11, and Nova: >>> >>> - RDOS V7.5 for the Nova >>> - OS/8 for the PDP-8 >>> - UNIX V5, V6, and V7 for the PDP-11 >>> >>>The demonstration software is provided for personal, non-commercial >>>use, under license from its current owners (Data General for RDOS, >>>Digital Equipment Corporation for OS/8, and the Santa Cruz Operation >>>for UNIX). Please be sure to read the license agreements before using >>>or distributing the demonstration software. A copy of the appropriate >>>license agreement(s) must be included with any copy of the >>>demonstration software. I gratefully acknowledge the generous help >>>and support of Data General Corporation, Digital Equipment >>>Corporation, and the Santa Cruz Organization in making the >>>demonstration software and supporting license agreements available. >>> >>>The simulator sources and documentation are contained in a compressed >>>tar archive on the public FTP server ftp.digital.com: >>> >>> /pub/DEC/sim/sources/sim_2.2d.tar.Z >>> >>>The simulators have been tested under Digital UNIX, VAX VMS, Alpha >>>VMS, and Intel Linux. A port to Windows 95/Windows NT is underway. >>> Porting to other little-endian UNIX systems is straightforward, but >>>porting to big-endian systems is not: data representations are endian >>>dependent. >>> >>>The demonstration software and licenses are contained in multiple >>>compressed tar archives on the public FTP server ftp.digital.com: >>> >>> /pub/DEC/sim/software/rdosswre.tar.Z - RDOS >>> /pub/DEC/sim/software/os8swre.tar.Z - OS/8 >>> /pub/DEC/sim/software/uv5swre.tar.Z - UNIX V5 >>> /pub/DEC/sim/software/uv6swre.tar.Z - UNIX V6 >>> /pub/DEC/sim/software/uv7swre.tar.Z - UNIX V7 >>> >>>(Very) cursory instructions for using the demonstration software are >>>included in the simulator documentation. >>> >>>The simulator project includes many contributions. For a more >>>detailed description of the simulator itself, and the many people who >>>helped with it, please see the (forthcoming) December 96 issue of the >>>Digital Technical Journal, which has an article on "Restoring Old >>>Computers" by Max Burnet and Bob Supnik. >>> >>>YOU can contribute to the computer history project! The simulator is >>>an open-ended framework, and contributions are welcome, such as: >>> >>> - further debuging of the existing simulators >>> - additional peripherals for existing simulators >>> - new software images for existing simulators >>> - new simulators >>> - terminal emulation routines for Windows 95/Windows NT >>> - ports to other operating environments >>> >>>Please send your contributions to bob.supnik@ljo.dec.com. >>> // Michael Tilson, CIO // SCO, +1-408-429-4889
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/01/24 Return-Path: <dionj@sco.COM> Received: from sco.sco.COM by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23445; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:40:02 +1100 Received: from grandad.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa16361; 24 Jan 97 15:38 PST Received: from mother.pdev.sco.com by grandpa.pdev.sco.com id aa01051; 24 Jan 97 15:40 PST From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: PDP 11 binaries available Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 15:40:46 PST Message-Id: <9701241540.aa15811@mother.sco.com> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 681 Status: ROr I guess you know about this? -Dion From: Bob Supnik <bob.supnik@ljo.dec.com> To: 'Dion' <dionj@sco.COM> Subject: RE: licenses/available of geriatric UNIX releases Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:12:02 -0500 SCO, thanks to Scott, granted hobbyists worldwide a binary license to use UNIX V5, V6, and V7 for the PDP-11. The licenses, the disk images that go with them, and the simulator that runs them can all be found on ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/sim/{software,sources} The information is self explanatory (I hope!). Note that the licenses do NOT include sources; however, a book of the V6 sources has been published recently. /Bob Supnik ----------
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/01/26 Return-Path: <wkt> Received: by dolphin (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20919; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:09:10 +1100 From: wkt (Warren Toomey) Message-Id: <9701260009.AA20919@dolphin> Subject: Re: PDP 11 binaries available To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:09:10 +1100 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <9701241540.aa15811@mother.sco.com> from "Dion" at Jan 24, 97 03:40:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 792 Status: O In atricle by Dion: > I guess you know about this? [SCO binary licenses for v5,v6,v7] > -Dion I sure do. I don't know who at SCO helped get this done but my (and many others) thanks for their effort! There's about 70 people interested in paying for src licenses, as shown by the survey results at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/ I'm getting Dan ???, who publishes the Lions Commentary, to point his web pages at the URL above, so perhaps more people will fill in the survey; he reports thousands of copies of the book have been sold. So I think that there is some interest in cheap source licenses. I know you guys are always busy, but it'd be great to get something worked out soon. Thanks for the email Dion. Hope you had a good Christmas/New Year's break! Catch you again, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/07/01 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16254 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 05:02:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id ab00212; 1 Jul 97 11:34 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Petition for PDP-11 Source Code Licenses Cc: dseagrav@bsdserver.tek-star.net, johnb@sco.COM, levine@sco.COM, pr@sco.COM, wjm@sco.COM Date: Tue, 1 Jul 97 11:25:19 PDT Message-ID: <9707011125.aa20765@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr An excellent idea! Thanks for letting me know. I will certainly be your advocate on this. I just got another request from a guy whom I will copy here so he can participate. :-) Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Internet Way of Computing - Java - Technical Tools 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Mon Jun 30 18:51:46 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Petition for PDP-11 Source Code Licenses To: dionj@sco.com Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:04:36 +1000 (EST) Hi Dion, I thought I should let you know that I'm organising a formal petition to SCO about PDP-11 UNIX source code licenses, rather than perpetually hassling you about it. The in-progress petition is at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/petition.html and your comments on it are very much appreciated. We really want to work with SCO on this & appreciate SCO's efforts to date with the Lions Book and the binary licenses to 5th, 6th and 7th Edition. At a later date, when the petition's ``fully signed'', we will make a formal presentation of the petition to SCO. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/07/01 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16786 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 10:05:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa14009; 1 Jul 97 16:43 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Petition for PDP-11 Source Code Licenses Cc: johnb@sco.COM, levine@sco.COM, wjm@sco.COM Date: Tue, 1 Jul 97 16:34:23 PDT Message-ID: <9707011634.aa17367@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr I think SCO's legal dept has a concern that we do not want to lose trade secret status or control of certain technologies and intellectual property that may be in this source code. Trade secret law provides that we must make certain kinds of protections for our technology. We cant just give away freely because it loses secrecy. We can provide it under a suitable license because the license agreement can embody the necessary protections. In other words, we are happy for you guys to have this source code (possibly with some nominal payment that helps cover our costs) but we dont want to lose any legal control of the "secrets". It may be that we (SCO) still have obligations inherited from other, ancient contracts with various technology suppliers about such matters, etc. Looking at your proposed license terms (strictly an amateur review; I am not a lawyer :-) I think they seem very fair and plausible. I will see if our legal staff can find time to research this. I agree that it would certainly be an excellent PR action for SCO to take, as the flag carrier of the UNIX heritage. -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Internet Way of Computing - Java - Technical Tools 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Tue Jul 1 16:11:10 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Petition for PDP-11 Source Code Licenses To: Dion <dionj@sco.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:52:26 +1000 (EST) Cc: dseagrav@bsdserver.tek-star.net, johnb@sco.com, levine@sco.com, pr@sco.com, wjm@sco.com In atricle by Dion: [ re my petition for PDP-11 UNIX source licenses ] > An excellent idea! Thanks for letting me know. > I will certainly be your advocate on this. > I just got another request from a guy whom I will > copy here so he can participate. :-) > > Dion Thanks for your reply Dion, and send constructive criticism! We'd like to know what sort of things SCO would like to see in such a source license. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/07/01 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA15241; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:04:36 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199707010104.LAA15241@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Petition for PDP-11 Source Code Licenses To: dionj@sco.com Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:04:36 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hi Dion, I thought I should let you know that I'm organising a formal petition to SCO about PDP-11 UNIX source code licenses, rather than perpetually hassling you about it. The in-progress petition is at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/petition.html and your comments on it are very much appreciated. We really want to work with SCO on this & appreciate SCO's efforts to date with the Lions Book and the binary licenses to 5th, 6th and 7th Edition. At a later date, when the petition's ``fully signed'', we will make a formal presentation of the petition to SCO. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/07/02 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16811; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 10:15:36 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199707020015.KAA16811@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Petition for PDP-11 Source Code Licenses To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 10:15:36 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9707011634.aa17367@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> from Dion at "Jul 1, 97 04:34:23 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO In atricle by Dion: > I think SCO's legal dept has a concern that we do not want > to lose trade secret status or control of certain technologies > and intellectual property that may be in this source code. > > Trade secret law provides that we must make certain kinds > of protections for our technology. We cant just give away > freely because it loses secrecy. We can provide it under > a suitable license because the license agreement can > embody the necessary protections. > > In other words, we are happy for you guys to have this source > code (possibly with some nominal payment that helps cover our > costs) but we dont want to lose any legal control of the > "secrets". It may be that we (SCO) still have obligations > inherited from other, ancient contracts with various technology > suppliers about such matters, etc. > > Looking at your proposed license terms (strictly an amateur > review; I am not a lawyer :-) I think they seem very fair and > plausible. I will see if our legal staff can find time to > research this. I agree that it would certainly be an excellent > PR action for SCO to take, as the flag carrier of the UNIX > heritage. Thanks Dion. I can tell you I've had a lot of good feedback about SCO regarding their support for the Lions' Commentary and their free PDP-11 UNIX binary license. If we can reach an agreement on the source licenses, then if SCO staged an announcement about them at a USENIX conference, for example, it would be terrific PR. I don't know what you guys feel about pricing. $200 would be max, I think, for individuals to want to pay. $100 would be better :-) Also, if the license idea gets done, we'd need to come up with a source code distribution mechanism which is also acceptable. I don't think SCO would want to bother with it, which is why I mentioned it in the petition. If a 3rd party was given the distribution task (say me, for example), a way of proving that someone has purchased the license would be required. We can come up with the gory details later. Anyway, less talk from me. I'll let the petition run for a few weeks & then pass it on to you guys. Thanks again! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/07/09 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02872; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:00:23 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199707090600.QAA02872@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Formal Presentation of Petition to SCO To: dionj@sco.com, mike@sco.com Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:00:22 +1000 (EST) Priority: urgent Return-Receipt-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO Dion, Mike, I'd like to formally present the attached petition regarding source licenses for PDP-11 UNIX to SCO. Can you pass this on to the appropriate people upstairs (or wherever)? The petition can also be found at: http://minnie.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/petition.html There are over 200 signatures on the petition, and some of them have very high standing in the UNIX community. The petition's only been running for a week, and you can check the URL for more recent signatures. I'm sure you're all pretty busy there, but an official response from SCO in, say, a few weeks would be great! Many thanks for your help & support, Warren Toomey wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Dear Sirs/Madams, We, the undersigned, are a group of people who are interested in obtaining legal access to the source code and binaries of the versions of UNIX that ran on the PDP-11 range of computers from Digital Equipment Corporation. We would like legal access to these versions of UNIX to be available because: * they are of great historical importance, and/or * we personally own PDP-11 computers on which these systems will run. The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. owns the copyright to these very old versions of UNIX. We understand and appreciate that SCO wishes to protect their intellectual property within, and ownership of, these versions of UNIX. Therefore, we wish to petition SCO to make available source code and binary licenses of these versions of UNIX so that: * we can legally own source code and binaries for PDP-11 UNIXes, and * SCO's copyright and intellectual property is protected. We would be happy to purchase and be legally bound by a source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes that meets SCO's requirements, as long as: * the license covers the entire distributions (source code, binaries and documentation) of the following versions of UNIX: o 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX o 32V UNIX o PWB/UNIX o those portions of all 2BSD releases which are derived from UNIX source code * we have the right to make changes to the source code of the above versions of UNIX * we have the right to distribute our changes to other people who have signed and agreed to the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes * we have the right to install UNIX binaries on PDP-11 hardware and PDP-11 emulating software * we have the right to allow other people to use the UNIX binaries on such an installation Note that the latter is already permitted, given SCO's binary license agreement for 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX. We would also be happy with the following conditions imposed in the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes: * no resale of the license is permitted * source code covered by the license cannot be distributed or disclosed to people not covered by the license * no commercial usage of the source code or binaries is permitted * SCO is not required to provide copies of any source code, binaries or documentation with the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes On a recent survey of people interested in such a license, over 120 people responded. Most of the respondents would agree to a license with the conditions and limitations outlined above, if the cost of such a license was less than US$200. We urge you to consider * the historical significance of the UNIX operating system, * that the PDP-11 versions of UNIX are essentially obsolete, * that UNIX-like operating systems, libraries and applications are freely available in source code form, * that the source code to 6th Edition UNIX is publicly available in printed form (Lions' Commentary on 6th Edition UNIX, Peer to Peer Communications, Inc.) and make personal-use non-disclosure source code and binaries licenses for PDP-11 UNIXes available at a price which we can afford as individuals. The UNIX community has played an extremely important role in the development and success of the UNIX operating system. The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc., as owners of the UNIX operating system source, would be repaying the UNIX community in some measure by providing source licenses for these old versions of UNIX. Although you would not profit greatly from the licenses, you would earn the respect and appreciation from many people who helped make UNIX what it is today. Thank you for your time. Your response to our petition will be appreciated, and can be sent via Internet e-mail to Warren Toomey wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au. Sincerely yours, the undersigned. John S. Dyson dyson@freebsd.org 1.317.547.5181 Keith Huff kshuff@fast.net home phone 610 740-9456 Norman Wilson norman@cs.yorku.ca Lieven Willems Lieven.Willems@rug.ac.be Christopher Vance cjsv@acm.org Robert J. Kelley pasha@efn.org Paul McJones mcjones@pa.dec.com Ken Harrenstien klh@us.oracle.com Ozan S. Yigit oz@tor.securecomputing.com Jennine Townsend jennine@netcom.com Josef Grosch jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Allen Kossow aek@spies.com John Wilson wilson@dbit.com James E. Carpenter jimc@zach1.tiac.net jackv@pacbell.net Charles Tutt chasjt@ibm.net Jason Timmons devnull@ais.net Nick Andrew nick@zeta.org.au Raoul Golan raoul@ind.tansu.com.au David Blackman David.Blackman@anu.edu.au Warren Toomey wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Tim Shoppa shoppa@triumf.ca Neil Johnson neil@skatter.usask.ca Ken Wellsch kcwellsch@math.uwaterloo.ca michel@gov.nt.ca brandt@fokus.gmd.de Andreas Kudlik kudlik@btp2x1.phy.uni-bayreuth.de krupp@unix-ag.uni-kl.de bieschewski@informatik.uni-erlangen.de john_w@mentec.ie scaifer@eeng.dcu.ie Per Andersson pa@cdg.chalmers.se toje@nightingale.ms.sub.org Dieter Dworkin dworkin@village.org Muller Alexei N. Romanov alexei@loach.org mheller@acm.org enyborg@tincan.tincan.org merlyn@geeks.org Sami Laine lane@iki.fi Harri Jauri harrij@clinet.fi Jarkko Teppo s99137@tec.puv.fi jlothian@castle.ed.ac.uk mike.meredith@port.ac.uk ian@nobunaga.demon.co.uk john@lupine.demon.co.uk robin@falstaf.demon.co.uk kevan@motiv.co.uk Michael Patton MAP@POBOX.com eric@brouhaha.com keck@texoma.com Carl Friend carl.friend@swec.com phebert@etec-inc.com jbell4@ford.com wlewis@mailbag.com Russman@surf-ici.com ebush@sccsi.com gorilla@drink.com max@testmark.com BBarr47775@aol.com asiasys@sovam.com Seth J. Morabito sethm@loomcom.com root@bcscom.com ddb@ix.netcom.com John Lawson jpl15@netcom.com Kristen McIntyre kristen@zoom.com Quentin Fennessy qpf@io.com James Risner risner@stdio.com bharbour@vcd.hp.com wvh@gethip.com James Willing jimw@agora.rdrop.com dmccrackin@crsrobotics.com bonomi@geocities.com Jeff Mickey jmic@tezcat.com Paul Pierce prp@teleport.com dap@perform.ath.forthnet.gr wolpert@i1.net pmcandre@tiac.net km@infi.net svreid@ibm.net zop12@free.nether.net mrbill@texas.net jasons@icanect.net aliles@IntNet.net softstar@pol88a.polito.it Michael Sanders msanders@dgs.monash.edu.au GriffithsD@cbs.curtin.edu.au Bruce Orcutt borcutt@uakron.edu Roger Ivie ivie@cc.usu.edu milov@uwlax.edu firsoff@sapr.tstu.ru marlin1@ihug.co.nz Pedro Fernando Giffuni pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co Universidad Nacional de Colombia Salazar Murray Jensen mjj@mlb.dmt.csiro.au CSIRO Div Man Tech Steven M. Schultz sms@moe.2bsd.com sms@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com David Tilbrook dt@qef.com Chris Baird cjb@hna.com.au cjb%brushtail@troll.apana.org.au Peter Maydell pm215@cam.ac.uk Dr Chris McDonald chris@cs.uwa.edu.au The Univ. of Western Australia Sami Laine lane@netti.fi Phone +358 40 5225 811 Phil Parry enzpp@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Joerg B. Micheel micheel@fokus.gmd.de joergm@berlin.snafu.de Andrew S. Tanenbaum ast@cs.vu.nl Carl Phillips cphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk David Conran lucifer@xyzzy.com.au Dom Mitchell hdm@demon.net London Tim Bradshaw tfb@ed.ac.uk Phillip Musumeci phillip@rmit.edu.au RMIT Comp Sys Eng Peter Dept.of Computer Science, Turnbull pnt103@cs.york.ac.uk University of York, UK Brian Harrington brian@jhu.edu Johns Hopkins Univ. Peter da Silva peter@taronga.com Alan W Black awb@cstr.ed.ac.uk CSTR, University of Edinburgh Reinhard Kodym rkodym@mdacc.uth.tmc.edu Douglas W. Jones jones@cs.uiowa.edu University of Iowa Pat Barron pat@transarc.com Matthew Alton matta@commlet.com Robert Brown brown@biblioteh.com Nate Williams nate@sri.com Richard Tobin R.Tobin@ed.ac.uk Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@freebsd.org finger jmb@freebsd.org Greg Lehey grog@lemis.com http://www.lemis.com/~grog Stephen Clawson sclawson@cs.utah.edu phone:+1-801-581-5591 Alexander Komlik apkom@crocodile.org John Herbert jbh@ftel.net Olaf Erb erb@inss1.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de Joseph S. Myers jsm28@cam.ac.uk Matthias Brüstle m@mbsks.franken.de William S. Pechter wpechter@vnet.ibm.com Carolyn E. Carrock pechter@shell.monmouth.com Daniel Seagraves dseagrav@tek-star.net We are a SCO customer / reseller John Ruschmeyer jruschme@exit109.com Sandro Sigala ssigala@globalnet.it North Italy Wolfgang Denk wd@denx.muc.de splite@wdni.com Eivind Eklund perhaps@yes.no +47 64 85 52 18 Chris Drake cjd@zatch.corp.sun.com Colin R. 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From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/07/09 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA03127 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:03:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa07261; 9 Jul 97 7:48 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Formal Presentation of Petition to SCO Date: Wed, 9 Jul 97 7:39:54 PDT Message-ID: <9707090739.aa08101@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr Looks good. I am hitting on our legal guys and a bunch of other executives here. In case we cant dig up all the old source code, do you have any idea if some of your group has old sources they could send back to us? :-) -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Product Manager for Java, Free Stuff, Skunkware, technical tools, etc. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/07/10 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03362; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:25:09 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199707092325.JAA03362@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Formal Presentation of Petition to SCO To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:25:09 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9707090739.aa08101@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> from Dion at "Jul 9, 97 07:39:54 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O In article by Dion: > Looks good. I am hitting on our legal guys and a bunch of > other executives here. > > In case we cant dig up all the old source code, do you have > any idea if some of your group has old sources they could > send back to us? :-) > -Dion Dion, yes I have as much as I've been able to find, with Dennis Ritchie and a few others with stuff I haven't received yet. We're covered by institutional source licenses at the moment. You're welcome to the stuff of course, you own it. However, I thought you guys didn't want to be bothered with the distribution bit. That's why I put the clause in the petition: SCO is not required to provide copies of any source code, binaries or documentation with the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes. I'd be happy to act as distributor, but I'd need a mechanism so I can prove that someone really has a license from SCO. Anyway, the archive is sitting on my desktop box here, with no public access of any kind. I have another box for all of that. Here's an ftp login for you to look around: ftp henry.cs.adfa.oz.au user sco passwd srclicense1 Finally, thanks again for your help! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/07/23 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA02151 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:33:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id ab19084; 23 Jul 97 12:23 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: PDP-11 Petition -- Status Cc: doug@sco.COM, johnb@sco.COM, levine@sco.COM, monikal@sco.COM, ray@sco.COM Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 12:17:19 PDT Message-ID: <9707231217.aa06768@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr Warren, Thanks for your latest news. That's great about the signatures. Yes, I perused the earlier list and it's really amazing that we have such famous support for this. I am sure it will be a great PR victory when we finally get this arranged. Our exec VP (Doug Michels) is on your side. I am annoying our legal folks, bless their hearts. :-) They have a job to do also and I want to be sure we are protecting SCO's interests in the code in the right ways. I expect an answer in a week or so. I suspect there will be further internal iterations here as we craft a license that works for all parties. So the right answer to publish is: "SCO is pleased to entertain this request from so many loyal and famous fans of UNIX. We are looking into how we can provide this source code. No promises at this time, since there are some intellectual property issues that must be resolved, but we will do what we can." Please do put my name on it. We are not a faceless giant corporation. Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Product Manager for Java, Free Stuff, Skunkware, technical tools, etc. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Tue Jul 22 20:43:58 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: PDP-11 Petition -- Status To: dionj@sco.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:11:22 +1000 (EST) Dion, I thought I'd touch base with you on the PDP-11 src license petition. We've now got over 300 signatures, including some very famous UNIX people. Can you fill me in on what's happening with the petition at SCO. If possible I'd like to put your answer on my status page at: http://minnie.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/pstatus.html so you can be vague and `not speaking officially for SCO' if you want, and I won't mention your name. Thanks in advance! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/08/27 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00706 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:42:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA22139 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:48:01 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id ab09305; 27 Aug 97 8:20 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Touching Base! Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 8:15:37 PDT Message-ID: <9708270815.aa05557@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: RO Please keep it off the page for now. I think our legal guys will add some more junk (T&C) to it. The VP head legal eagle has said he wants to think about it a little, so this is good. I will send some more answers shortly. -Dion From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Tue Aug 26 18:11:00 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Touching Base! To: Dion <dionj@sco.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:36:38 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9708261245.aa07496@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> from Dion at "Aug 26, 97 12:45:07 pm" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au In article by Dion: > Warren, > > Good progress. We have some positive consensus developing. > Here is the proposed license terms (roughly, not fully legalized > yet). Please let me know if you see any problems with this > proposal: Thanks Dion. Firstly, it looks good! Secondly, can I attach the draft to the petition status page, or should I keep it to myself for now. > use, store, reproduce, edit, adapt, enchance, improve, otherwise modify, transmit electronically, repackage > * licensees have the right to install UNIX binaries on PDP-11 hardware and > PDP-11 emulating software I'd like to change this to ``install UNIX software on ...''. We will need to install the source code if we want to reconfigure the kernel or to make enhancements and improvements. We obviously must take precautions to prevent non-licensees from viewing the source code. They can use the binaries if they agree to the existing SCO binary license. The price sounds good too!!!! > * SCO is not required to provide copies of any source code, binaries or > documentation with the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes Finally, the problem of src/binary distribution. Most of us do have the src already, but I'm sure I will get email thus: I've bought a license from SCO for PDP-11 UNIX src/binaries. Can you give me copies please? I can see three approaches: + SCO provides access to the source: CD-ROMs and/or FTP site. + SCO keeps the FTP site & deals with passwords etc. I would be happy to maintain the files on the site. + I maintain an FTP site, and possibly get into CD-ROM burning myself. The latter would be expensive for the low-quantities. If I maintain the FTP site, I'd need to get guaranteed verifiable license info from SCO so that I can ensure only legitimate licensees have access. I don't want to be sued for breach of license. The distribution problem is something that we can address after the license wording is completed and they go on sale. I think the wording you e-mailed me is everything we wanted (if we can install src on machines)!!! Thanks again for your work and the lawyers work on this. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/08/27 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA00749 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 04:20:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA23746 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 04:20:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa14822; 27 Aug 97 11:04 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Touching Base! Cc: levine@sco.COM Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 10:56:31 PDT Message-ID: <9708271056.aa18110@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr comments below. From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Touching Base! To: Dion <dionj@sco.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:36:38 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au In article by Dion: > Warren, > > Good progress. We have some positive consensus developing. > Here is the proposed license terms (roughly, not fully legalized > yet). Please let me know if you see any problems with this > proposal: Thanks Dion. Firstly, it looks good! Secondly, can I attach the draft to the petition status page, or should I keep it to myself for now. As I said earlier, let's wait. I think we can have a license pretty soon. Our most eminent legal eagle is on the case. > use, store, reproduce, edit, adapt, enchance, improve, otherwise modify, transmit electronically, repackage > * licensees have the right to install UNIX binaries on PDP-11 hardware and > PDP-11 emulating software I'd like to change this to ``install UNIX software on ...''. We will need to install the source code if we want to reconfigure the kernel or to make enhancements and improvements. right. Done. We obviously must take precautions to prevent non-licensees from viewing the source code. They can use the binaries if they agree to the existing SCO binary license. Right. The price sounds good too!!!! Thanks. > * SCO is not required to provide copies of any source code, binaries or > documentation with the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes Finally, the problem of src/binary distribution. Most of us do have the src already, but I'm sure I will get email thus: I've bought a license from SCO for PDP-11 UNIX src/binaries. Can you give me copies please? I can see three approaches: + SCO provides access to the source: CD-ROMs and/or FTP site. + SCO keeps the FTP site & deals with passwords etc. I would be happy to maintain the files on the site. + I maintain an FTP site, and possibly get into CD-ROM burning myself. The latter would be expensive for the low-quantities. Our problem is that, apparently, no one is left around here who knows where these ancient sources ARE. They may be in storage somewhere in NJ, possibly on 1/2" tapes or gawd knows what media. I think there would be reluctance to pull people off new product development to go spelunking for this stuff. If you licensees can take care of the maintenance, it will encourage our mgt to go along with this whole idea ("no material cost to SCO"). I'll send you a box of blank CDROMs. :-) If I maintain the FTP site, I'd need to get guaranteed verifiable license info from SCO so that I can ensure only legitimate licensees have access. I don't want to be sued for breach of license. The goal is that licensees are allowed to mutually exchange and share the software. I think we should be able to send you a list of licensees on a regular basis, or new licensees. The distribution problem is something that we can address after the license wording is completed and they go on sale. I think the wording you e-mailed me is everything we wanted (if we can install src on machines)!!! Thanks again for your work and the lawyers work on this. You are most welcome. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/08/27 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03744 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:36:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22343 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:35:56 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03730; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:36:38 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199708270036.KAA03730@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Touching Base! To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:36:38 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9708261245.aa07496@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> from Dion at "Aug 26, 97 12:45:07 pm" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO In article by Dion: > Warren, > > Good progress. We have some positive consensus developing. > Here is the proposed license terms (roughly, not fully legalized > yet). Please let me know if you see any problems with this > proposal: Thanks Dion. Firstly, it looks good! Secondly, can I attach the draft to the petition status page, or should I keep it to myself for now. > use, store, reproduce, edit, adapt, enchance, improve, otherwise modify, transmit electronically, repackage > * licensees have the right to install UNIX binaries on PDP-11 hardware and > PDP-11 emulating software I'd like to change this to ``install UNIX software on ...''. We will need to install the source code if we want to reconfigure the kernel or to make enhancements and improvements. We obviously must take precautions to prevent non-licensees from viewing the source code. They can use the binaries if they agree to the existing SCO binary license. The price sounds good too!!!! > * SCO is not required to provide copies of any source code, binaries or > documentation with the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes Finally, the problem of src/binary distribution. Most of us do have the src already, but I'm sure I will get email thus: I've bought a license from SCO for PDP-11 UNIX src/binaries. Can you give me copies please? I can see three approaches: + SCO provides access to the source: CD-ROMs and/or FTP site. + SCO keeps the FTP site & deals with passwords etc. I would be happy to maintain the files on the site. + I maintain an FTP site, and possibly get into CD-ROM burning myself. The latter would be expensive for the low-quantities. If I maintain the FTP site, I'd need to get guaranteed verifiable license info from SCO so that I can ensure only legitimate licensees have access. I don't want to be sued for breach of license. The distribution problem is something that we can address after the license wording is completed and they go on sale. I think the wording you e-mailed me is everything we wanted (if we can install src on machines)!!! Thanks again for your work and the lawyers work on this. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/08/28 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA00997; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:53:35 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199708272353.JAA00997@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Touching Base! To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:53:35 +1000 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <9708271056.aa18110@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> from Dion at "Aug 27, 97 10:56:31 am" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O In article by Dion: > As I said earlier, let's wait. I think we can have a license > pretty soon. Our most eminent legal eagle is on the case. Ok Dion. On the petition status web page, all I've mentioned is that I've seen a non-legal draft version which gives us basically what we asked for in the petition. After re-reading the draft carefully, I did have a few more suggestions. You can probably pass the next section directly to your legal eagle, and pass on our appreciation for his/her work. Thoughts on the Draft License ----------------------------- It essentially looks good, but I have a few quibbles. Obviously SCO wants to protect the source code. The binaries are already covered to some extent with the binary license SCO released earlier this year. The status of the documentation (man pages, other papers) seems a bit unclear, so it would be good if this is made more explicit. We want to be able to install full distributions (src, docs, binaries), but the draft only mentions installing UNIX binaries. Some organisations have existing UNIX licenses from Western Electric or AT&T. I think that these existing licenses need to be mentioned in the new license. Below is a rewording of the draft send to me by Dion Johnson, with proposed changes to accomodate the above quibbles. The changes are marked in => <=. I'd appreciate it if you would give them some consideration. + the license covers the entire distributions (source code, binaries and documentation) of the following versions of UNIX: o 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX o 32V UNIX o PWB/UNIX o those portions of all 2BSD releases which are derived from UNIX source code + licensees have these rights wrt the => distributions <= of the above versions of UNIX: Use, store, reproduce, edit, adapt, enhance, improve, otherwise modify, transmit electronically, and repackage. + These rights are licensed to noncommercial users. The source may not be sold nor used to develop commercial versions of UNIX. + licensees have the right to install UNIX => distributions <= on PDP-11 hardware and PDP-11 emulating software. + licensees have the right to allow noncommercial use of the UNIX binaries => and documentation <= on systems for which the product is licensed. + license is not transferable. + source code covered by the license cannot be distributed or disclosed to people not covered by the license, => or by existing UNIX software licenses from Western Electric or AT&T <=. The licensees are permitted to collaborate on modifications and mutually share their modifications. + SCO is not required to provide copies of any source code, binaries or documentation with the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes + License Fee: SCO charges a one-time license fee of $100 per licensee, for a site license for one organization. [ I'm unclear on this point, it seems there's a word missing: $100 per licensee, OR for a site license for one organization. Is this correct? ] + We may, at some future time, provide source distributions (if/when we can find the sources), but this is not committed. We know that the licensees have, between them, most of the needed sources. ----------------------------- > Finally, the problem of src/binary distribution. > > Our problem is that, apparently, no one is left around here who knows > where these ancient sources ARE. They may be in storage somewhere in > NJ, possibly on 1/2" tapes or gawd knows what media. I think there would > be reluctance to pull people off new product development to go spelunking > for this stuff. > > If you licensees can take care of the maintenance, it will encourage > our mgt to go along with this whole idea ("no material cost to SCO"). > > I'll send you a box of blank CDROMs. :-) I didn't think you guys would want to get into the distribution bit, which is completely understandable. I think we've got as much as there is left. There's nothing before 5th Edition, except for some material on paper which Dennis Ritchie owns. I am prepared to perform some of the distribution, e.g by burning CDs and by having an FTP site. I don't want to be sued in the process! So I really need a way of verifying who actually does have a SCO license. You guys must attach serial numbers to each license. Can you email me name/serial number pairs? This would help me to authenticate people. But as I said before, the distribution problem is something that we can address after the license wording is completed and they go on sale. Thanks again, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/08/30 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05015 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:16:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0@MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00991 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:15:17 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01033; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms@moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199708310504.WAA01033@moe.2bsd.com> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Answer to Legal Qry Cc: dionj@sco.com Status: ROr Warren - > even a version of System V for the PDP-11. I don't know if there was a System > III which ran on PDP-11s. Yes, there was. It was similar to V7 except the tty system was starting along the road to what SysV would use. Also the "simple" administrative nature of V7 (and BSD) had been transformed into the forest of directories and scripts that SysV uses (/etc/rc.d, /etc/init.d, and so on). > source code to System V, even if it was only for the PDP-11. I think we > would be happy to forego the System III and System V versions. I'd be perfectly content if Sys III and V were left out. My BSD bias is probably showing though ;) > If I left out PWB, MERT, Mini UNIX and AUSAM, then would you add them to the > list?! I wasn't aware that MERT ever was released outside of Bell Labs. > your "2BSD release" is this the Berkely versions of UNIX? - > if it is, it could go up to our SVR4.0 and we do not want > to included this in our license. There's no Sys III or later code at all in 2BSD. The split in the family tree came quite a bit earlier, so while there is V7 code present in 2BSD the newer additions to 2BSD have borrowed from the "unencumbered" 4BSD and similar efforts. > In terms or licensing, we are in a situation similar to the 4.4BSD-Lite > situation. The perception was that certain parts of 4.4 were derived `enough' > from old UNIX, and so were left out. AND, there are a number of modules in the current 4.4BSD, FreeBSD, and other BSD derived systems which AT&T/USL/etc allowed to be published as long as a "notice" was placed at the top of the file. > With 2BSD and its derivatives, we happily assert that there IS stuff left > over from 6th and 7th Edition. I am sure there is nothing taken from 32V > or from later versions of UNIX. All we want is the license to cover anything > still in 2BSD which is _derived_ from the early versions of UNIX. Quite correct. The BSD effort had gone its own way long before SysV ever came out. > Thanks again & expect a follow-up reply from Steven Schultz about 2BSD. Oh, I'm supposed to send something? ;-) Ok - I'll add a Cc: to this item - I think it covers most of the questions about 2BSD. Steven
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/08/31 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04965; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:12:15 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199708310412.OAA04965@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Answer to Legal Qry To: dionj@sco.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:12:15 +1000 (EST) Cc: sms@moe.2bsd.com Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Warren, This is very good news. Things are moving fast. Our legal guy is asking me some questions that I can't answer... perhaps you can help. Thanks Dion, I've tab indented your email so you should be able to work out what my lines are. Boy, there certainly are a lot of people involved! I'll try and answer everything to the best of my ability. [ email from SCO's legal guy, lines with * are Dion's reply ] Dion, The License has been written but we need some clarification on the product the license will cover. In your original emails you stated that they wanted a license to cover the old OS that ran on the PDP-11. This is a 16-Bit machine. Old UNIX that ran on the 16-Bit was the UNIX Editions 1 - 7. Not just UNIX Research Editions 1 to 7 ran on PDP-11s. I think 8th Edition did as well. Also, there were several variants derived from the Research Editions, such as PWB (several flavours), MERT, Mini UNIX and AUSAM. There was even a version of System V for the PDP-11. I don't know if there was a System III which ran on PDP-11s. We would really like coverage of ALL PDP-11 UNIX variants, but even coming up with a list would be difficult. I think SCO would be touchy about selling source code to System V, even if it was only for the PDP-11. I think we would be happy to forego the System III and System V versions. Summary: We would like a license to cover all PDP-11 UNIXes (and derived works such as AUSAM and Mini UNIX) except the System III and System V versions. I don't know if SCO can come up with legalese which would cover such a general list, so the specific list we outlined in the petition would be fine. If I left out PWB, MERT, Mini UNIX and AUSAM, then would you add them to the list?! 32V UNIX ran on a 32-Bit machine not the PDP-11, 32V ran on the Vax. Ok, technically this was not a PDP-11, but the 32V version of UNIX was essentially a straight port of 7th Edition over to the Vax, with no additions (no virtual memory, no nothing). It's a very historically important version of UNIX, and we would like to have it included. Note importantly that the draft license so far will not permit us to install 32V on a Vax, so we can only view the source and documentation, not actually run the software. We would be prepared to lose this version, if it became a sticking point, but it would still be nice to have it available for reading. Remember, we want the license to cover not only PDP-11 owners, but people who have a historical interest in UNIX. You'd be surprised how popular the `John Lions Commentary on 6th Edition UNIX' is, even though few people own PDP-11s now. your "2BSD release" is this the Berkely versions of UNIX? - if it is, it could go up to our SVR4.0 and we do not want to included this in our license. I don't know if you have seen a diagram of the UNIX genealogy. Grab hold of `Life with UNIX', or go to http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/node1.html, and view the diagram there. You will see that 1BSD and 2BSD are derived from 6th & 7th Edition UNIX. 3BSD was a split from the 2BSD branch, and then became 4BSD. So: 6th | V 1BSD | V 2BSD ---> 3BSD ---> 4BSD | | V V 2BSD and subsequent versions run only on the PDP-11. Yes, later versions such as 2.11BSD have taken some code from the 4.3BSD and 4.4BSD versions. In terms or licensing, we are in a situation similar to the 4.4BSD-Lite situation. The perception was that certain parts of 4.4 were derived `enough' from old UNIX, and so were left out. With 2BSD and its derivatives, we happily assert that there IS stuff left over from 6th and 7th Edition. I am sure there is nothing taken from 32V or from later versions of UNIX. All we want is the license to cover anything still in 2BSD which is _derived_ from the early versions of UNIX. If you want to limit the versions from which code can be derived, then 7th Edition or 32V would be suitable. I'm not the current maintainer of 2BSD; Steven Schultz is, and he is available by email at sms@moe.2bsd.com. I will pass this email on to Steven, as he is really the person who should be negotiating with SCO over 2BSD. Please read my comments with a grain of salt, and treat all comments from Steven as overriding my comments! [ finally, some comments on the attached group discussion ] >>>>It has to do with having people on our side... important people, >>>>people who dislike Microsoft and are not enamored of Sun. ... >>>>people who speak at conferences, influence decision makers and >>>>mentor students. Step back a bit & leave out the factional stuff. You've got a chance here of winning loyalty from the whole UNIX community. You have already: + made binary licenses for old systems freely available + given permission for the Lions Commentary to be distributed If you add: + cheap licenses for old & historically important UNIX systems then you have stood up and said: These three events show that we believe in the heritage of UNIX, both the fact that the software was available in source form, but that what helped make UNIX so strong was the community spirit that pervaded the early development of UNIX. We want to repay our debt to the UNIX community and we feel that by (doing these 3 things) we have in some measure done so. These three events, together, are a real PR coup. Don't overlook that!! >>>> We could make it better if we find time to create a real >>>> historical archive of this stuff, but that can happen over >>>> time. The licensees would help us. Yes, we sure would!! Especially if SCO can dig up any other tapes lying around which we don't have. >>>> >UNIX is a research/academic tool. The technical community >>>> >respects UNIX (they do not respect NT very much). We >>>> >need to leverage that respect and act as if we are the >>>> >keepers of the UNIX heritage. I think it's a mind set thing: accessible source code vs. non-accessible source code, or ``Use the source, Luke''. UNIX was brought up in this mind set. Sun's playing on this with their release of source code to academic institutions -- they're gaining kudos, not money. They're buying reputation. Anyway, I could go on & on with comments. You know how I feel. SCO gains kudos, reputation and goodwill out of this. Sure you can't put a $ value on it, but I hope it will strengthen the market perception of SCO as a willing and helpful part of the UNIX community. Please pass my comments on to the legal eagle & to the others involved in SCO. P.S Can you get people to call me Warren & not Toomey :-) I'm a 1st name guy. Thanks again & expect a follow-up reply from Steven Schultz about 2BSD. Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07073 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:37:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10462 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:09:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id ag14492; 2 Sep 97 16:06 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Answer to Legal Qry Date: Tue, 2 Sep 97 16:01:00 PDT Message-ID: <9709021601.aa00962@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr Still more answers, questions, and comments, at the left margin. From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Sat Aug 30 21:15:28 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Answer to Legal Qry To: dionj@sco.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:12:15 +1000 (EST) Cc: sms@moe.2bsd.com Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Warren, This is very good news. Things are moving fast. Our legal guy is asking me some questions that I can't answer... perhaps you can help. Thanks Dion, I've tab indented your email so you should be able to work out what my lines are. Boy, there certainly are a lot of people involved! I'll try and answer everything to the best of my ability. [ email from SCO's legal guy, lines with * are Dion's reply ] Dion, The License has been written but we need some clarification on the product the license will cover. In your original emails you stated that they wanted a license to cover the old OS that ran on the PDP-11. This is a 16-Bit machine. Old UNIX that ran on the 16-Bit was the UNIX Editions 1 - 7. Not just UNIX Research Editions 1 to 7 ran on PDP-11s. I think 8th Edition did as well. Also, there were several variants derived from the Research Editions, such as PWB (several flavours), MERT, Mini UNIX and AUSAM. There was even a version of System V for the PDP-11. I don't know if there was a System III which ran on PDP-11s. We would really like coverage of ALL PDP-11 UNIX variants, but even coming up with a list would be difficult. I think SCO would be touchy about selling source code to System V, even if it was only for the PDP-11. I think we would be happy to forego the System III and System V versions. Summary: We would like a license to cover all PDP-11 UNIXes (and derived works such as AUSAM and Mini UNIX) except the System III and System V versions. I don't know if SCO can come up with legalese which would cover such a general list, so the specific list we outlined in the petition would be fine. If I left out PWB, MERT, Mini UNIX and AUSAM, then would you add them to the list?! 32V UNIX ran on a 32-Bit machine not the PDP-11, Who owns or originated these derived works? PWB came from ATT, I guess. MERT? AUSAM? Mini UNIX? 32V ran on the Vax. Ok, technically this was not a PDP-11, but the 32V version of UNIX was essentially a straight port of 7th Edition over to the Vax, with no additions (no virtual memory, no nothing). It's a very historically important version of UNIX, and we would like to have it included. Note importantly that the draft license so far will not permit us to install 32V on a Vax, so we can only view the source and documentation, not actually run the software. Right. I pointed this out to our legal guys. We would be prepared to lose this version, if it became a sticking point, but it would still be nice to have it available for reading. Remember, we want the license to cover not only PDP-11 owners, but people who have a historical interest in UNIX. You'd be surprised how popular the `John Lions Commentary on 6th Edition UNIX' is, even though few people own PDP-11s now. your "2BSD release" is this the Berkely versions of UNIX? - if it is, it could go up to our SVR4.0 and we do not want to included this in our license. I don't know if you have seen a diagram of the UNIX genealogy. Grab hold of `Life with UNIX', or go to http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/node1.html, and view the diagram there. You will see that 1BSD and 2BSD are derived from 6th & 7th Edition UNIX. 3BSD was a split from the 2BSD branch, and then became 4BSD. So: 6th | V 1BSD | V 2BSD ---> 3BSD ---> 4BSD | | V V 2BSD and subsequent versions run only on the PDP-11. Yes, later versions such as 2.11BSD have taken some code from the 4.3BSD and 4.4BSD versions. In terms or licensing, we are in a situation similar to the 4.4BSD-Lite situation. The perception was that certain parts of 4.4 were derived `enough' from old UNIX, and so were left out. With 2BSD and its derivatives, we happily assert that there IS stuff left over from 6th and 7th Edition. I am sure there is nothing taken from 32V or from later versions of UNIX. All we want is the license to cover anything still in 2BSD which is _derived_ from the early versions of UNIX. Exactly. If you want to limit the versions from which code can be derived, then 7th Edition or 32V would be suitable. I'm not the current maintainer of 2BSD; Steven Schultz is, and he is available by email at sms@moe.2bsd.com. I will pass this email on to Steven, as he is really the person who should be negotiating with SCO over 2BSD. Please read my comments with a grain of salt, and treat all comments from Steven as overriding my comments! [ finally, some comments on the attached group discussion ] This was some mail I addressed to one of our VPs, actually. >>>>It has to do with having people on our side... important people, >>>>people who dislike Microsoft and are not enamored of Sun. ... >>>>people who speak at conferences, influence decision makers and >>>>mentor students. Step back a bit & leave out the factional stuff. You've got a chance here of winning loyalty from the whole UNIX community. You have already: Yes, of course. The factionalism was for the VP's consumption. + made binary licenses for old systems freely available + given permission for the Lions Commentary to be distributed If you add: + cheap licenses for old & historically important UNIX systems then you have stood up and said: These three events show that we believe in the heritage of UNIX, both the fact that the software was available in source form, but that what helped make UNIX so strong was the community spirit that pervaded the early development of UNIX. We want to repay our debt to the UNIX community and we feel that by (doing these 3 things) we have in some measure done so. These three events, together, are a real PR coup. Don't overlook that!! Quite so. >>>> We could make it better if we find time to create a real >>>> historical archive of this stuff, but that can happen over >>>> time. The licensees would help us. Yes, we sure would!! Especially if SCO can dig up any other tapes lying around which we don't have. Dont hold your breath, but I will try to excite some interest from the New Jersey folks. Strangely, they are not very enthusiastic about this. >>>> >UNIX is a research/academic tool. The technical community >>>> >respects UNIX (they do not respect NT very much). We >>>> >need to leverage that respect and act as if we are the >>>> >keepers of the UNIX heritage. I think it's a mind set thing: accessible source code vs. non-accessible source code, or ``Use the source, Luke''. UNIX was brought up in this mind set. Sun's playing on this with their release of source code to academic institutions -- they're gaining kudos, not money. They're buying reputation. Anyway, I could go on & on with comments. You know how I feel. SCO gains kudos, reputation and goodwill out of this. Sure you can't put a $ value on it, but I hope it will strengthen the market perception of SCO as a willing and helpful part of the UNIX community. Please pass my comments on to the legal eagle & to the others involved in SCO. P.S Can you get people to call me Warren & not Toomey :-) I'm a 1st name guy. Yes, I will try to remember to do so. Thanks again & expect a follow-up reply from Steven Schultz about 2BSD. Got it already. Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/17 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA02461 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:28:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa12271; 17 Sep 97 13:07 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 12:58:35 PDT Message-ID: <9709171258.aa01102@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr OK, here is a first draft. I have not studied this in detail. I think it has some problems, but could you please take a look and tell me what you think? thx Feel free to send it to some of your colleagues, but please do not distribute widely or post. Dion L. 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EXPORT 5.1 LICENSEE agrees that it will not, without the prior written consent of SCO, export, directly or indirectly, SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS covered by this Agreement to any country outside of the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY. 5.2 LICENSEE hereby assures SCO that it does not intend to and will not knowingly, without the prior written consent, if required, of the Office of Export Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce, Washington, D.C. 20230, transmit, directly or indirectly: (i) any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement; or (ii) any immediate product (including processes) produced directly by the use of any such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT; to Afghanistan, the People's Republic of China or any Group Q, S, W, Y or Z country specified in Supplement No. 1 to Section 370 of the Export Administration Regulations issued by the U.S. Department of Commerce. 5.3 LICENSEE agrees that its obligations under Sections 5.1 and 5.2 shall survive and continue after any termination of rights under this Agreement. 6. FEES AND TAXES 6.1 In consideration for the rights granted to LICENSEE for use of the SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS identified in Section 3 above, LICENSEE shall pay to SCO a Right-to-Use Fee of US$100.00 for the DESIGNATED CPU at the time this Agreement is returned to SCO for final execution. 6.2 Payment to SCO shall be made in United States dollars to SCO at the address specified in Section 8.8(a). 6.3 LICENSEE shall pay all taxes (and any related interest or penalty), however designated, imposed as a result of the existence or operation of this Agreement, including, but not limited to, any tax which LICENSEE is required to withhold or deduct from payment to SCO, except (i) any tax imposed upon SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof) in the jurisdiction in which the aforesaid office of LICENSEE is located if such tax is allowable as a credit against United States income taxes of SCO (or such an affiliate) and (ii) any income tax imposed upon SCO (or such an affiliate) by the United States or any governmental entity within the United States proper (the fifty (50) states and the District of Columbia). To assist in obtaining the credit identified in (i) of this Section 5.05, LICENSEE shall furnish SCO with such evidence as may be required by United States taxing authorities to establish that any such tax has been paid. The Fee specified in Section 6.1 above do not include taxes. If SCO is required to collect a tax to be paid by LICENSEE, LICENSEE shall pay such tax to SCO on demand. 7. TERM 7.1 This Agreement shall become effective on and as of the date of acceptance by SCO. The initial term of this Agreement shall be for one (1) year. Thereafter, the Agreement will automatically renew for successive one (1) year terms unless either party gives the other, no later than ninety (90) days before the end of the initial term, or then current extension, written notice of its intent to terminate this Agreement. Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to require either party to extend this Agreement beyond the initial term or any subsequent term. 7.2 LICENSEE may terminate its rights under this Agreement by written notice to SCO certifying that LICENSEE has discontinued use of and returned or destroyed, at SCO's option, all copies of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement. 7.3 If LICENSEE fails to fulfill one or more of its obligations under this Agreement, SCO may, upon its election and in addition to any other remedies it might have, at any time terminate all the rights granted by it hereunder by not less than two (2) months' written notice to LICENSEE specifying any such breach, unless within the period of such notice all breaches specified therein shall have been remedied; upon such termination LICENSEE shall immediately discontinue use of and return or destroy, at SCO's option, all copies of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS in its possession. 7.4 In the event of termination of LICENSEE's rights under Sections 7.2 or 7.3, (i) all fees that LICENSEE has become obligated to pay shall become immediately due and payable and (ii) SCO shall have no obligation to refund any amounts paid to it hereunder. 8. MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS 8.1 This Agreement shall prevail notwithstanding any conflicting terms or legends which may appear in a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 8.2 If, and only if, SCO is the entity that provides SOURCE CODE PRODUCT to LICENSEE, SCO warrants for a period of ninety (90) days from furnishing a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT to LICENSEE hereunder, that any magnetic medium on which portions of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT are furnished will be free under normal use from defects in materials, workmanship or recording. If such a defect appears within such warranty period LICENSEE may return the defective medium for replacement without charge. Replacement is LICENSEE's sole remedy with respect to such a defect. SCO also warrants that it is empowered to grant the rights granted herein. SCO and other developers make no other representations or warranties, expressly or impliedly. By way of example but not of limitation, SCO and other developers make no representations or warranties of merchantability or fitness for any particular purpose, or that the use of any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT will not infringe any patent, copyright or trademark. SCO and other developers shall not be held to any liability with respect to any claim by LICENSEE, or a third party on account of, or arising from, the use of any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 8.3 Neither the execution of this Agreement nor anything in any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be construed as an obligation upon SCO or any other developer to furnish any person, including LICENSEE, any assistance of any kind whatsoever, or any information or documentation. 8.4 (a) LICENSEE agrees that it shall hold all parts of the SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement in confidence for SCO. LICENSEE further agrees that should it make such disclosure of any or all of such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS (including methods or concepts utilized therein) to anyone to whom such disclosure is necessary to the use for which rights are granted hereunder, LICENSEE shall appropriately notify each such person to whom any such disclosure is made that such disclosure is made in confidence and shall be kept in confidence and have each such person sign a confidentiality agreement containing restrictions on disclosure substantially similar to those set forth herein. If LICENSEE should become aware of a violation of SCO's intellectual property and/or proprietary rights, LICENSEE shall promptly notify SCO and cooperate with SCO in such enforcement. If information relating to a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement at any time becomes available without restriction to the general public by acts not attributable to LICENSEE, LICENSEE's obligations under this section shall not apply to such information after such time. (b) Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 8.4(a), LICENSEE may make available copies of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, either in modified or unmodified form, to third parties in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY having Source Code Licenses of the same scope herewith from SCO for the same SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, if and only if (i) LICENSEE first requests verification the status of the recipient by contacting SCO at the address contained in Section 8.8(b) or other number specified by SCO, and (ii) SCO gives written verification of the recipient's software license status. LICENSEE shall maintain a record of each such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT made available. 8.5 (a) On SCO's request, but not more frequently than annually, LICENSEE shall furnish to SCO a statement, listing the location, type and serial number of the DESIGNATED CPU hereunder and stating that the use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement has been reviewed and that each such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is being used solely on the DESIGNATED CPU (or temporarily on a back-up CPU) for such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS in full compliance with the provisions of this Agreement. (b) SCO shall have the right, upon reasonable notice to LICENSEE and through SCO's accredited auditing representative, to make an on-site inspection during normal business hours, not more frequently than annually, of all LICENSEE's CPUs to determine that SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS are being used solely on the DESIGNATED CPU and are used solely for personal purposes as authorized under this Agreement. 8.6 The obligations of LICENSEE under Section 8.4 shall survive and continue after any termination of rights under this Agreement. 8.7 Neither this Agreement nor any rights hereunder, in whole or in part, shall be assignable or otherwise transferable by LICENSEE and any purported assignment or transfer shall be null and void. 8.8 (a) Payments to SCO under this Agreement shall be made payable and sent to: CHECK DRAWN ON U.S. BANK TO: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. P.O. Box 7745 San Francisco, CA 94120-7745 (b) Correspondence with SCO relating to this Agreement shall be sent to: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. 400 Encinal Street Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 United States of America Attention: Law and Corporate Affairs (c) Any statement, notice, request or other communication shall be deemed to be sufficiently given to the addressee and any delivery hereunder deemed made when sent by certified mail addressed to LICENSEE at its office specified in this Agreement or to SCO at the appropriate address specified in this Section 7.7. Each party to this Agreement may change an address relating to it by written notice to the other party. 8.9 LICENSEE shall obtain all approvals from any governmental authority in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY required to effectuate this Agreement according to its terms, including any such approvals required for LICENSEE to make payments to SCO pursuant to this Agreement. LICENSEE shall bear all expenses associated with obtaining such approvals. 8.10 The construction and performance of this Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of California, USA. SCO-Soft. Sp.-090897 Page 1 of 6
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/17 Received: from moe.2bsd.com (MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03180 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:20:45 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16782; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms@moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199709180316.UAA16782@moe.2bsd.com> To: dionj@sco.COM Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license (fwd) Cc: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Status: RO Greetings - I do not believe I have previously thanked you for the time and effort you have spent in this cause. Thank you very much. (I agree with Warren - your signature block is nifty!) As you mentioned there are a couple "problems". Warren has addressed the "Single Country" aspect. My concern and questions deal with, for the most part, the "DESIGNATED CPU" concept. Is it SCO's intent to license "the person" or "the specific system"? 2.1(a) starts off sounding like a "per person" license: > 2.1 (a) SCO grants to LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and > nonexclusive right to use, in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, each SOURCE > CODE PRODUCT identified in Section 3 of this Agreement, solely > for personal use (as restricted in Section 2.1(b)) and solely on So far so good. Personally I find the idea of a "personal license" more attractive and easier to deal with (for both sides) than a "per cpu/system" one. But then the paragraph continues on: > or in conjunction with one (1) DESIGNATED CPU for such SOURCE > CODE PRODUCT. Such right to use includes the right to modify Hmmm, the "DESIGNATED CPU" would indicate that the "system" rather than the hobbyist is being licensed. 2.1(b) goes back to the "Personal use" theme: > (b) Personal use is limited to noncommercial uses. Any such use > made in connection with the development of enhancements or There are numerous other cases that seem to alternate between "personal" and "system". The beneficiaries of an inexpensive source license for "old" UNIX are the hobbyists (Dion - if you do get a PDP-11/73 and need some help setting it up let me know). It is not uncommon for a 'collector' to have two or more machines that have been "rescued" from the landfill (or whatever). Would it be possible to change the language to be more along the lines (and I'm not a lawyer as you can probably tell;-)) of "systems belonging to the licensed individual"? I can see where SCO would not appreciate my taking my license over to a friend's house and installing a system. But I do have two systems in my house, an 11/73 and an 11/93 (I'd get a 11/44 but it'd eat me alive on electricity). > 2.2 (a) Any notice acknowledging a contribution of a third party > appearing in a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be included in > corresponding portions of DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS made by > LICENSEE... > (b) Each portion of a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT shall include an > appropriate copyright notice. Such copyright notice may be the Could SCO provide an example paragraph that should be included in the labels on any media, etc? "Some or all contents are licensed by SCO ..." I would guess. > 2.4 A single back-up CPU may be used as a substitute for the > DESIGNATED CPU without notice to SCO during any time when such > DESIGNATED CPU is inoperative because it is malfunctioning or > undergoing repair, maintenance or other modification. Personally I'd like to see that paragraph rewritten - something like "systems in the licensed individual's domicile, or in the license'd person's possession". Something like that. > 7. TERM > > 7.1 This Agreement shall become effective on and as of the date > of acceptance by SCO. The initial term of this Agreement shall > be for one (1) year. Thereafter, the Agreement will > automatically renew for successive one (1) year terms unless Oh, annual renewal? That's going to cut into the money's generated by the (very modest) license fee, isn't it? Does this mean if I relocate or move I would need to notify SCO? > 8.5 (a) On SCO's request, but not more frequently than annually, > LICENSEE shall furnish to SCO a statement, listing the location, > type and serial number of the DESIGNATED CPU hereunder and Ouch - here we run into a real problem. There is no concept of a "serial number" in many cases. I put (in one case paid someone else to) the system together out of parts - a BA23 box from here, a M8192 (that's the 11/73 CPU module) from elsewhere, a DEQNA from a used equipment place, and so on. The larger systems (11/70, perhaps the 11/44) had "serial numbers" but the smaller (more likely to be found in homes) systems are almost "PC" like in using 'commodity parts'. On the other hand if the lawyers can find a way to license the individual rather than the machine paragraph 8.5 disappears. > (b) SCO shall have the right, upon reasonable notice to LICENSEE > and through SCO's accredited auditing representative, to make an > on-site inspection during normal business hours, not more Let me know when you're dropping in - I make a wicked batch of chili if I have a day or so's notice <grin>
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/18 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA03746 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:52:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa28934; 18 Sep 97 11:46 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license Cc: sms@moe.2bsd.com Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 11:31:26 PDT Message-ID: <9709181131.aa07184@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr Eminent colleagues, Yes, I agree there are a number of changes needed. I will study this later today and tomorrow and make recommendations and incorporate your wishes, to our legal eagles in NJ. I think most of the bad stuff is just due to their cut and past of existing contract blurbage, rather than any bad intent. PS: I got my copy of Salus' book yesterday. Very interestng reading! I wish I could have joined Bell Labs in 1965 instead of IBM. I interviewed with Bell Labs, but they didnt want to hire anyone who did not have straight-A grade point average. :-) It kinda shows, huh? :-) -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/18 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA02699; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:32:17 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199709172332.JAA02699@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:32:17 +1000 (EST) Cc: sms@moe.2bsd.com (Steven Schultz), wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <9709171258.aa01102@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> from Dion at "Sep 17, 97 12:58:35 pm" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO In article by Dion: > OK, here is a first draft. I have not studied this in detail. > I think it has some problems, but could you please take a look > and tell me what you think? thx Feel free to send it to some > of your colleagues, but please do not distribute widely or > post. > > Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com > Czar of Free Stuff and Technical customers' advocate. I like your signature :-) Yes, there are a number of things I dislike about the first legal draft. Essentially, they boil down to: Single Country Limitation, Single CPU Limitation, List of UNIX Versions Single Country Limitation ------------------------- Ok, this seems very unfair. I have to buy another license if I move to another country. Also, I can only pass on SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS to other LICENSEES in the same country. Specific comments: 5. Export: How am I going to distribute src/binaries to other LICENSEES if this restriction is in place? Do I have to get consent for each individual export event? 5.2 Does this section apply to non-US citizens living in non-US countries? If so, how can I obtain Supplement No. 1 to Section 370 of the Export Administration Regulations issued by the U.S. Department of Commerce. Single CPU Limitation --------------------- This is _extremely_ unfair. In fact I can't believe that this is in the draft license. I'll show you why this is a futile clause, later. But first, how is SCO going to deal with emulated PDP-11s, which do not have a DESIGNATED CPU? List of UNIX Versions --------------------- SCO also owns the copyright to PWB UNIX and Mini UNIX. Please can they be covered? 32V is missing as well, it's a pity that the license does not cover 32V. What is SCO's stand going to be on the derived Unix flavours which they don't strictly own, such as AUSAM, 2BSD etc?? Miscellaneous ------------- Can we make backups of the software? Which clause permits us to do this? Single CPU Futility ------------------- For at least 5th, 6th and 7th Edition, the single CPU restriction is futile, given SCO's existing binary license for these versions: 1 DEFINITIONS LICENSED SOFTWARE shall mean solely the object code of the following versions of SCO's UNIX operating system software: Versions V5, V6, and V7 adapted for PDP-11 computer systems. SCO INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS shall mean patent, copyright and trade secret rights of The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. ("SCO") in the LICENSED SOFTWARE. 2 LICENSE GRANT SCO grants to CUSTOMER a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license under SCO INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to reproduce, modify, and use the LICENSED SOFTWARE solely for non-commercial uses, and to distribute the LICENSED SOFTWARE to a third party who is also bound by the terms and conditions of this License Agreement. This existing binary license has NO CPU restriction. Dion, this is my first quick review of the draft. I'll sit down and have a more detailed perusal and send you any further comments. I have passed the draft on to Steven Schultz only, so far, and he should return his comments to you as well. Thanks again, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/19 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23827 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:25:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa26658; 19 Sep 97 15:26 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license Cc: sms@moe.2bsd.com Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 15:18:48 PDT Message-ID: <9709191518.aa21209@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: RO more comments interpolated below. From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Wed Sep 17 16:41:40 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license To: Dion <dionj@sco.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:32:17 +1000 (EST) Cc: Steven Schultz <sms@moe.2bsd.com>, Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> In article by Dion: > OK, here is a first draft. I have not studied this in detail. > I think it has some problems, but could you please take a look > and tell me what you think? thx Feel free to send it to some > of your colleagues, but please do not distribute widely or > post. > > Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com > Czar of Free Stuff and Technical customers' advocate. I like your signature :-) Yes, there are a number of things I dislike about the first legal draft. Essentially, they boil down to: Single Country Limitation, fixed Single CPU Limitation, fixed List of UNIX Versions fixed (this is the trickiest one, I suspect) Single Country Limitation ------------------------- Ok, this seems very unfair. I have to buy another license if I move to another country. Also, I can only pass on SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS to other LICENSEES in the same country. Agreed. I am proposing a change to "all countries except... " Specific comments: 5. Export: How am I going to distribute src/binaries to other LICENSEES if this restriction is in place? Do I have to get consent for each individual export event? See above comment. 5.2 Does this section apply to non-US citizens living in non-US countries? If so, how can I obtain Supplement No. 1 to Section 370 of the Export Administration Regulations issued by the U.S. Department of Commerce. I think we desire that it should so apply. I dont really understand how contracts are supposed to work internationally. This document is probably available from the US govt printing office. I will ask the legal folks to provide a pointer. Single CPU Limitation --------------------- This is _extremely_ unfair. In fact I can't believe that this is in the draft license. I'll show you why this is a futile clause, later. But first, how is SCO going to deal with emulated PDP-11s, which do not have a DESIGNATED CPU? Right. I am defining "DESIGNATED CPU GROUP" List of UNIX Versions --------------------- SCO also owns the copyright to PWB UNIX and Mini UNIX. Please can they be covered? 32V is missing as well, it's a pity that the license does not cover 32V. What is SCO's stand going to be on the derived Unix flavours which they don't strictly own, such as AUSAM, 2BSD etc?? Well, it does say "including SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEMS". I think they want to avoid enumerating some of these flavors to which we may not own full rights. I will try to fix up the definition of successors to include everything up to but not including system III or so. Miscellaneous ------------- Can we make backups of the software? Which clause permits us to do this? This license seems to incorporate a lot of stuff in the word "use". You are allowed to USE the the source code. Reasonably, this means to make backup copies, to compile (i.e., make modifications), etc. Certainly you would be allowed to transmit the product between the machines in the CPU GROUP, and to other licensees. I think for our purposes, the word "use" is desirably vague and better than spelling out "copy, modify, transmit, ... etc." Single CPU Futility ------------------- For at least 5th, 6th and 7th Edition, the single CPU restriction is futile, given SCO's existing binary license for these versions: 1 DEFINITIONS LICENSED SOFTWARE shall mean solely the object code of the following versions of SCO's UNIX operating system software: Versions V5, V6, and V7 adapted for PDP-11 computer systems. SCO INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS shall mean patent, copyright and trade secret rights of The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. ("SCO") in the LICENSED SOFTWARE. 2 LICENSE GRANT SCO grants to CUSTOMER a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license under SCO INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to reproduce, modify, and use the LICENSED SOFTWARE solely for non-commercial uses, and to distribute the LICENSED SOFTWARE to a third party who is also bound by the terms and conditions of this License Agreement. This existing binary license has NO CPU restriction. Agreed. I think CPU GROUP fixes this. -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Czar of Free Stuff and Technical customers' advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 Dion, this is my first quick review of the draft. I'll sit down and have a more detailed perusal and send you any further comments. I have passed the draft on to Steven Schultz only, so far, and he should return his comments to you as well. Thanks again, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/19 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22118 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:11:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa24253; 19 Sep 97 14:12 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: sms@moe.2bsd.com Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license (fwd) Cc: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 13:58:15 PDT Message-ID: <9709191358.aa17707@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr Steve - this mail addresses your questions and comments. Warren, I will address your mail separately. Some of your concerns are answered here. See comments and questions interpolated below. From sco.sco.com!moe.2bsd.com!sms Wed Sep 17 20:50:54 1997 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms@moe.2bsd.com> To: dionj@sco.com Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license (fwd) Cc: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Status: RO Greetings - I do not believe I have previously thanked you for the time and effort you have spent in this cause. Thank you very much. It is God's work. :-) I enjoy it. (I agree with Warren - your signature block is nifty!) As you mentioned there are a couple "problems". Warren has addressed the "Single Country" aspect. My concern and questions deal with, for the most part, the "DESIGNATED CPU" concept. Is it SCO's intent to license "the person" or "the specific system"? 2.1(a) starts off sounding like a "per person" license: > 2.1 (a) SCO grants to LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and > nonexclusive right to use, in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, each SOURCE > CODE PRODUCT identified in Section 3 of this Agreement, solely > for personal use (as restricted in Section 2.1(b)) and solely on So far so good. Personally I find the idea of a "personal license" more attractive and easier to deal with (for both sides) than a "per cpu/system" one. But then the paragraph continues on: > or in conjunction with one (1) DESIGNATED CPU for such SOURCE > CODE PRODUCT. Such right to use includes the right to modify Hmmm, the "DESIGNATED CPU" would indicate that the "system" rather than the hobbyist is being licensed. 2.1(b) goes back to the "Personal use" theme: > (b) Personal use is limited to noncommercial uses. Any such use > made in connection with the development of enhancements or There are numerous other cases that seem to alternate between "personal" and "system". Yes, I am trying to clarify the license is to a person. Btw, can you guys help me wrt "personal use"? Do you need to be able to use this software in teaching courses in Comp Sci? I would think YES. I'd like the field of use to include letting the binaries run on machines used by students, faculty, etc. Isnt this desirable? or not necessary? Is the usage desired really just hobbyist and truly personal? The beneficiaries of an inexpensive source license for "old" UNIX are the hobbyists (Dion - if you do get a PDP-11/73 and need some help setting it up let me know). It is not uncommon for a 'collector' to have two or more machines that have been "rescued" from the landfill (or whatever). Would it be possible to change the language to be more along the lines (and I'm not a lawyer as you can probably tell;-)) of "systems belonging to the licensed individual"? I can see where SCO would not appreciate my taking my license over to a friend's house and installing a system. But I do have two systems in my house, an 11/73 and an 11/93 (I'd get a 11/44 but it'd eat me alive on electricity). Yes, I am fixing the language to recognize a DESIGNATED CPU GROUP which is a set of computers at a single geographical site (house, building, laboratory, or campus). > 2.2 (a) Any notice acknowledging a contribution of a third party > appearing in a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be included in > corresponding portions of DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS made by > LICENSEE... > (b) Each portion of a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT shall include an > appropriate copyright notice. Such copyright notice may be the Could SCO provide an example paragraph that should be included in the labels on any media, etc? "Some or all contents are licensed by SCO ..." I would guess. Yeh we can cobble something up. > 2.4 A single back-up CPU may be used as a substitute for the > DESIGNATED CPU without notice to SCO during any time when such > DESIGNATED CPU is inoperative because it is malfunctioning or > undergoing repair, maintenance or other modification. Personally I'd like to see that paragraph rewritten - something like "systems in the licensed individual's domicile, or in the license'd person's possession". Something like that. This paragraph 2.4 should be deleted. > 7. TERM > > 7.1 This Agreement shall become effective on and as of the date > of acceptance by SCO. The initial term of this Agreement shall > be for one (1) year. Thereafter, the Agreement will > automatically renew for successive one (1) year terms unless Oh, annual renewal? That's going to cut into the money's generated by the (very modest) license fee, isn't it? No way. The $100 should be a one-time fee. Does this mean if I relocate or move I would need to notify SCO? Yes, I think this is reasonable for us to ask. > 8.5 (a) On SCO's request, but not more frequently than annually, > LICENSEE shall furnish to SCO a statement, listing the location, > type and serial number of the DESIGNATED CPU hereunder and Ouch - here we run into a real problem. There is no concept of a "serial number" in many cases. I put (in one case paid someone else to) the system together out of parts - a BA23 box from here, a M8192 (that's the 11/73 CPU module) from elsewhere, a DEQNA from a used equipment place, and so on. The larger systems (11/70, perhaps the 11/44) had "serial numbers" but the smaller (more likely to be found in homes) systems are almost "PC" like in using 'commodity parts'. On the other hand if the lawyers can find a way to license the individual rather than the machine paragraph 8.5 disappears. I am asking the designated computers to be a set of computers at a single geographic site. > (b) SCO shall have the right, upon reasonable notice to LICENSEE > and through SCO's accredited auditing representative, to make an > on-site inspection during normal business hours, not more Let me know when you're dropping in - I make a wicked batch of chili if I have a day or so's notice <grin> That is most kind. Where are you located, anyway? Maybe I will look it up at four11.com. I guess chili that takes 2 days to prepare must be pretty special. You got to go out and hunt the racoons, deer, and other natural ingredients? Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Czar of Free Stuff and Technical customers' advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/19 Received: from moe.2bsd.com (MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02770 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:52:23 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16935; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:17:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms@moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199709200317.UAA16935@moe.2bsd.com> To: dionj@sco.COM, sms@moe.2bsd.com Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license (fwd) Cc: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Status: RO Dion - > It is God's work. :-) I enjoy it. To paraphrase the line from the Blues Brothers' being on a 'mission from god': "It's 106 ms to Chicago, we've got a full disk of GIFs, half a meg of hypertext, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." "Click it." > Yes, I am trying to clarify the license is to a person. Super! That's very good to hear. > Btw, can you guys help me wrt "personal use"? > Do you need to be able to use this software in teaching courses > in Comp Sci? I would think YES. I'd like the field of use to I'm not a teacher or anything like that. Ok - I'll use myself as an example. For me "personal use" is a continuation of kernel hacking that started back around 1979 - it's a bit of a contest to see how much can be stuffed into a 16bit machine. For instance I just completed (last weekend) porting over the POSIX signal semantics (sigaction, sigpending, sigsuspend, etc) from the 4.4BSD-Lite2 CDrom. Nothing that anyone outside the PDP-11 community would appreciate but it keeps me off the streets at night ;-) > include letting the binaries run on machines used by students, > faculty, etc. Isnt this desirable? or not necessary? I could see it being desireable - you never know when a professor might use a PDP-11 as a teaching tool (it's enough machine to teach ideas but not big/fast enough to rule the world again as it did 20 or so years ago <grin>). > Yes, I am fixing the language to recognize a DESIGNATED CPU GROUP which > is a set of computers at a single geographical site (house, building, Perfect - thank you! That, I think, is much more in keeping with the type of person likely to buy the license (the 'collector', etc). > Oh, annual renewal? That's going to cut into the money's generated > by the (very modest) license fee, isn't it? > > No way. The $100 should be a one-time fee. Personally $100/year wouldn't bother me - I spend several times that on software updates and the like already. But it would be a paperwork hassle for SCO I'd think. Thanks for clarifying that. > Does this mean if I relocate or move I would need to notify SCO? > > Yes, I think this is reasonable for us to ask. Ok. Just wanted clarification - I don't plan on moving any time soon and if I do then one more 'change of address' postcard will be the least of my worries ;) > That is most kind. Where are you located, anyway? Maybe I will You're welcome. I'm down in Simi Valley - about 45 miles ~north of Lost Angeles. > I guess chili that takes 2 days to prepare must be pretty special. Closer to one day . > You got to go out and hunt the racoons, deer, and other natural > ingredients? Need to track down all the peppers - depending on the luck of the hunt I've made a 9 pepper chili (It's hard finding the habanero peppers apparently they have a short growing season). Steven
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/19 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA03884; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:54:43 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199709182254.IAA03884@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:54:43 +1000 (EST) Cc: sms@moe.2bsd.com (Steven Schultz), wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <9709181131.aa07184@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> from Dion at "Sep 18, 97 11:31:26 am" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO In article by Dion: > Eminent colleagues, > > Yes, I agree there are a number of changes needed. I will study > this later today and tomorrow and make recommendations and > incorporate your wishes, to our legal eagles in NJ. I think most > of the bad stuff is just due to their cut and paste of existing > contract blurbage, rather than any bad intent. > > PS: I got my copy of Salus' book yesterday. Very interestng > reading! I wish I could have joined Bell Labs in 1965 instead of > IBM. I interviewed with Bell Labs, but they didnt want to hire > anyone who did not have straight-A grade point average. :-) It > kinda shows, huh? :-) > -Dion Hi Dion, thanks for the reply. I re-read our SysVR2.0 license and, yes, it looks like a simple cut&paste job with now-irrelevant clauses. Hopefully we can excise them. Can you push them on the issue of PWB/UNIX, Mini UNIX and 32V? You guys own these products, and it would be nice for them to be licensable. If they cannot be licensed, then that's a substantial part of history we will have no legal access to. If these systems are not included in the license, what will happen to us if we distribute them to licensees of Editions 1 to 7? I wish I could have been born earlier, Dion! Thanks again, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/20 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10005; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:08:13 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199709201008.UAA10005@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: first draft of jurassaic UNIX license (fwd) To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:08:13 +1000 (EST) Cc: sms@moe.2bsd.com (Steven Schultz), wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <9709191358.aa17707@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> from Dion at "Sep 19, 97 01:58:15 pm" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Dion, a quick reply to your email. If SCO will address the single country and signle CPU restrictions, then I can't think of much else that needs to be done. You also mentioned adding something to the effect that the license covers everything before System III; that would be fantastic. I think I'd be very happy if the license just covered personal use and not academic use. I can't see many lecturers teaching with these systems; not when Plan 9 and Minix are available. If you want to add in clauses that permit use of the source in a teaching environment, that would be a bonus. Otherwise, universities which do require `academic' licenses will need to ask SCO for a special dispensation - I doubt you will get many. In article by Dion: > > Btw, can you guys help me wrt "personal use"? > Do you need to be able to use this software in teaching courses > in Comp Sci? I would think YES. I'd like the field of use to > include letting the binaries run on machines used by students, > faculty, etc. Isnt this desirable? or not necessary? > > Is the usage desired really just hobbyist and truly personal? Essentially yes, but if you can swing academic source use with the lawyers, we wouldn't say no :-) > That is most kind. Where are you located, anyway? Maybe I will > look it up at four11.com. > I guess chili that takes 2 days to prepare must be pretty special. > You got to go out and hunt the racoons, deer, and other natural > ingredients? > > Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Well, I'm in Canberra Australia, a long way to come, but I make a reasonable curry. When I get a chance to visit the US, definitely expect me to drop in on both of you. Dion, I owe you a case of beer or a meal in a decent restaurant, whichever you prefer! Thanks again, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/21 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05292 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:02:08 +1000 (EST) From: dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20352 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:58:20 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199709210458.OAA20352@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 00:18:03 -0400 Subject: re: Who owns the 6th & 7th Edition Manuals? To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au, dionj@sco.com Status: ROr The 7th edition manuals have been available for some while on our own server, and are currently at http://cm.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan. This is a synonym for http://netlib.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan, and it's doubtless reachable otherwise. The version at ftp://elib.zib.de/pub/netlib/att/cs/v7man/README looks like a mirror of an older version (at least of the README). Unlike code, which is involved with perhaps complicated trade secret and other ownership issues, old manuals that were released publicly and genuinely published (e.g. the 7th edition Unix manual, by Saunders College Publishing) are subject only to plain old copyright. Unless there is some document I haven't seen, I don't think that SCO has any exclusive copyright in manuals published in 1979 by us. Warren, so far as I know you're welcome to mirror our version of the manual or link to it, just as Wolfram did. Incidentally, I don't have online versions of any earlier research manuals (1-6), but would be happy to get and archive whatever you have. Dennis
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/09/22 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA25511 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:23:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA00801 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:23:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa28014; 22 Sep 97 11:07 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com, wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Who owns the 6th & 7th Edition Manuals? Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 10:53:30 PDT Message-ID: <9709221053.aa03103@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr I am sure Dennis is right and that you can go ahead and put these online. Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Czar of Free Stuff and Technical customers' advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 From sco.sco.com!plan9.bell-labs.com!dmr Sat Sep 20 22:26:06 1997 From: dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 00:18:03 -0400 Subject: re: Who owns the 6th & 7th Edition Manuals? To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au, dionj@sco.com Status: RO The 7th edition manuals have been available for some while on our own server, and are currently at http://cm.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan. This is a synonym for http://netlib.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan, and it's doubtless reachable otherwise. The version at ftp://elib.zib.de/pub/netlib/att/cs/v7man/README looks like a mirror of an older version (at least of the README). Unlike code, which is involved with perhaps complicated trade secret and other ownership issues, old manuals that were released publicly and genuinely published (e.g. the 7th edition Unix manual, by Saunders College Publishing) are subject only to plain old copyright. Unless there is some document I haven't seen, I don't think that SCO has any exclusive copyright in manuals published in 1979 by us. Warren, so far as I know you're welcome to mirror our version of the manual or link to it, just as Wolfram did. Incidentally, I don't have online versions of any earlier research manuals (1-6), but would be happy to get and archive whatever you have. Dennis
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/10/13 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05399 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:37:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA17148 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:37:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa12507; 13 Oct 97 7:40 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: 86open Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 7:33:02 PDT Message-ID: <9710130733.aa19277@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: RO Thanks Warren. This effort is a grass-roots, bottom-up approach in contrast to the "industry heavyweight executives" initiatives that have failed in the past. We plan to do some engineering first, then announce results when we have some. :-) From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Sun Oct 12 17:05:05 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: 86open To: dionj@sco.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:55:59 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Dion, Just saw the announcement of the 86open steering committee in a FreeBSD newsgroup. I assume you're the Dion Johnson mentioned there. Many thanks in advance for being on the steering committee!!! Just my $0.02. Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/10/13 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05652 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:48:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA17287 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:47:37 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa13138; 13 Oct 97 7:50 PDT From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Touch Base Time Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 7:38:16 PDT Message-ID: <9710130738.aa19444@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: ROr I am still dickering with the legal folks in NJ. Between you and me, they are moving as slowly as possible. I fired another salvo last Friday. I may have to escalate back to the VP level to get them off the dime. Sorry it's taken so long. The legal people dont really know what is the ownership and rights issues for some of those other versions of UNIX. Also, they are reluctant on the 32V. As for the PDP-11 XENIX, I will look into it. However, the NJ legal folks and I have had an understanding that we'd exclude anything that was System III or later from the license. Adding a System III component into the mix will delay things. I will try to have some news this week! Thanks for your patience. From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Sun Oct 12 16:03:56 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Touch Base Time To: dionj@sco.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:01:03 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Hi Dion, I thought I'd touch base again to see what's been happening. I assume the PDP-11 source license is a low-priority thing, no worries. Someone on the PDP-11 mailing list asked about Xenix for the PDP-11. I know that Microsoft originally developed Xenix, but does SCO now own the rights to Xenix outright? If so, then the SCO source license should cover the PDP-11 version of Xenix. Attached is some email about PDP-11 Xenix. Thanks again! Warren ----- Forwarded message from David C. Jenner ----- From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner@halcyon.com> CC: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society <pups@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: PDP-11 Xenix (LONG) OK, Frank is likely correct. But I still don't think you'll find it anywhere on the 'net! It would be nice if it were in the PUP archives, though. Getting it there might be hard because MS might still have some rights to it. I did some digging, and here are some relevant dates: 8/25/80 Microsoft announced DEC PDP-11 XENIX (along with versions for several other machines--Intel 8086, Zilog Z8000, and Motorola M68000). [This would have to be Version 7 based.] 10/01/80 Microsoft notes PDP-11 XENIX is "scheduled for release". [It's not clear if this means it was actually released on that date.] 12/08/81 Microsoft and SCO signed a letter of intent for SCO to be a second-source of XENIX. [No mention of PDP-11; just that XENIX was being upgraded to System III at that time.] 1/22/85 Microsoft and AT&T announce plans for compatible future releases of XENIX and UNIX [based on System V]. 1/31/86 Microsoft and SCO announce new agreements for SCO to be prime distrubutor of XENIX System V to VAR and VAD channels. 2/15/89 Microsoft makes 20% minority investment in SCO. [I seem to recall that SCO got (all?) XENIX rights at this time.] So it looks like there was a window of about a year when a Version 7 based XENIX was probably available. Certainly starting in 1983 Microsoft announced all sorts of versions of XENIX for other hardware, including IBM System 9000 (yes, there really was a HAL 9000 (Motorola MC68000-based)--I had a couple), IBM PC/AT, AT&T UNIX PC and PC 6300, and Compaq machines. Dave ----- End of forwarded message from David C. Jenner -----
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/11/24 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA23096 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:13:52 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA07320 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:13:14 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa19989; 24 Nov 97 8:19 PST From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Is Dion Johnson alive? Cc: peterl@sco.COM Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 8:13:00 PST Message-ID: <9711240813.aa06392@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1145 Lines: 35 Yeh, I'm OK. I have a new cut of the proposed license from our NJ Legal folks. I compare with past versions and see what it has. I know the 32V was added to the list of licensed versions (good). Not sure if the other problems were fixed. I will get back to you before the holiday weekend coming. From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Sun Nov 23 18:43:18 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199711240141.MAA11548@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Is Dion Johnson alive? To: mike@sco.com, peterl@sco.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:41:14 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, Peter, I'm mailing you both because I've sent some e-mail to Dion Johnson in the last few weeks, and I haven't received any replies. Normally, he gets a reply back in a day or two. Can you tell me if he's ok? My e-mail to him is related to the PDP-11 UNIX Source License petition, at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/ Many thanks in advance for your help! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/12/01 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10834 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:26:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa10001; 1 Dec 97 13:22 PST From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: peterl@sco.COM, wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: PDP UNIX Source Date: Mon, 1 Dec 97 13:15:02 PST Message-ID: <9712011315.aa09873@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1684 Lines: 49 Peter, Apologies, I have not been moving this forward as fast as I'd like. I have a revised (about the 3rd time around) draft license from our legal people in NJ again and I need to review it in detail. We've had quite a bit of discussion on this stuff. They utterly do not understand what kind of people you guys are :-). I will not tell them about the Peugeots. Speaking of rare cars, you might be interested to know I have a Cadillac Allante. In fact, I have two of them. :-) Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Czar of Free Stuff and Technical customers' advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 From peterl Sun Nov 30 21:21:41 1997 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:16:54 +1100 To: dionj@sco.com From: Peter Laytham <peterl@sco.com> Subject: PDP UNIX Source Hi Dion How's it going? I see you've been pretty active getting the legal folk et al to look into a way to provide suitable access to the source for PDP UNIX after pressure from a VERY interested party in Oz. I seem to come across this guy all over the place - he owns a Peugeot, as do I, and we're both members of the Peugeot branch of the Australian Combined Vintage, Veteran and General Motoring Interest Groups (phew, what a mouthful). He has a PDP11 at home (in fact he has several as far as I can make out)! Anyway, if there is anything I can do to help at all please let me know. The move is supported by the Australian UNIX Users Group (AUUG) of which I am on the Exec, so I can act in any of several official or semi official roles on either side of the fence. Cheers Peter
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/12/01 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11219 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:03:39 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28371 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:03:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa13875; 1 Dec 97 15:05 PST From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: PDP UNIX Source Date: Mon, 1 Dec 97 14:58:07 PST Message-ID: <9712011458.aa00624@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1789 Lines: 51 No, they know about the petition. It's against their religion to go along with stuff like this. These are old AT&T license lawyers. I just gotta keep hammering away on them and finally get the exec VP to weigh in on my side when I have exhausted all the discussion options. :-) Gimme a couple more days. From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: PDP UNIX Source To: Dion <dionj@sco.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:04:11 +1100 (EST) Cc: peterl@sco.com, Steven Schultz <sms@moe.2bsd.com> In-Reply-To: <9712011315.aa09873@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> from Dion at "Dec 1, 97 01:15:02 pm" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article by Dion: > Peter, > > Apologies, I have not been moving this forward as fast > as I'd like. I have a revised (about the 3rd time around) > draft license from our legal people in NJ again and I need > to review it in detail. We've had quite a bit of discussion > on this stuff. They utterly do not understand what kind > of people you guys are :-). I will not tell them about > the Peugeots. Hi Dion, Peter must have met up with another guy here, Peter Chubb, who owns a Peugeot, because I own a little Hyundai :-) As for the legal guys not understanding us, have they seen the petition? Would it be worth me cobbling together a short statement of aims and rationale to explain what we're trying to achieve? > Speaking of rare cars, you might be interested to know > I have a Cadillac Allante. In fact, I have two of them. :-) One must be a backup! Thanks again for your support. Hope you had a good Thanksgiving, and best wishes for Christmas. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1997/12/01 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11471 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:59:30 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01456 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:58:49 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa20224; 1 Dec 97 18:01 PST From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: PDP UNIX Source Date: Mon, 1 Dec 97 17:54:00 PST Message-ID: <9712011754.aa11102@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 850 Lines: 27 I expect that Dennis was at odds with them as much as I have been, back in those good old days. :-) But thanks, I will keep that in mind as another card to play in case we need it. Good thought. From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Mon Dec 1 15:27:23 1997 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: PDP UNIX Source To: Dion <dionj@sco.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:06:24 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au In article by Dion: > No, they know about the petition. It's against their > religion to go along with stuff like this. These are old > AT&T license lawyers. I just gotta keep hammering away If they are old AT&T licence lawyers, perhaps a word from Dennis Ritchie in their ear could help? He's certainly supporting our attempts to make the source available while still licensed. Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/01/26 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27713 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:41:52 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22313 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:36:51 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa00662; 26 Jan 98 14:27 PST From: Dion <dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Happy New Year Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 14:23:09 PST Message-ID: <9801261423.aa24200@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1113 Lines: 35 Warren, I havent forgotten. I'm feeling guilty about this not being resolved. I'm at an impasse with our legal folks and I guess it's time to escalate somehow. I'll let you know pretty soon. I had a nice break, thanks. My folks live in Oklahoma, so I went back there to visit, saw some cousins, etc. It's cold and rainy here now. I'd rather be diving at your Barrier Reef. Maybe someday... From sco.sco.com!henry.cs.adfa.oz.au!wkt Mon Jan 26 14:11:40 1998 From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Happy New Year To: dionj@sco.com Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:03:45 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Hi Dion, Happy New Year (ok, so I'm a bit late). Hope you & your family had a good break. Apart from moving to a new house, travelling the east coast of Australia and having visitors stay with us for the past week, we've had a quiet time :-) I'm sure you haven't been back at work for long, but any word on these old Unix licenses? I'd like to email out to the PUPS mailing list (we've had several new subscribers) with a status report. Thanks again! Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/23 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16656 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:26:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16132 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:24:31 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa13365; 23 Feb 98 14:24 PST Message-ID: <19980223141611.10583@sco.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:16:11 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Lost Mail References: <199802232147.IAA16561@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802232147.IAA16561@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Feb 24, 1998 at 08:47:07AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 20616 Lines: 485 On Tue, Feb 24, 1998 at 08:47:07AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > Hi Dion, > I think my last mail must've got lost, we had some router/email > problems here. Do you think it would be a good idea to try and set up some > form of dialogue between the nay-sayers & the legal section, and myself, > over the PDP-11 license issue? With you as mediator. These guys are old (literally) ATT&T types who dont understand (or like) hackers and academics. They also have little use for things like PR, marketing, history, or nonprofit activities. ;-) I dont mean to vilify them, but .... > I'd like to try and explain why we are asking for licenses, and also get a > feeling for why they have reservations. I expect that these people may want > to stay `anonymous' [so I don't hassle them], so you could act as a conduit > and an anonymizing agent. Essentially, that's what we've already done. > > Let me know what you think. See below. > > Thanks again, > > Warren I just finished another exchange with them. Here is where we are on a contract. Note that 1) multiple CPUs are handled 2) Multiple countries are handled by the device of filling in the "AUTHORIZED COUNTRY" blank with a list of countries. 3) Fee is $100 one-time only 4) Other variants on the early UNIX, such as MINI-UNIX could be viewed as successors to, say, 3rd edition, so they are covered. Only system V is excepted. Pls take a look and let me know if you think the rest of the stuff is either OK or bendable enough. It may be we will have to settle for an agreement that has to be interpreted in a certain way, in order for you to do what you want. So be it. SCO is never going to hassle anyone over this, I am sure. -Dion Agreement Number: ________________ THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. SPECIAL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT A. THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC., a California corporation (SCO), having an office at 400 Encinal Street, Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 and LICENSEE, as defined in the signature block of this Agreement agree that, as of the Effective Date hereof, as defined in Section 7.1, the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement shall apply to use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement. B. SCO makes certain licensing rights for SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS available under this Agreement, including rights to make and use DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS. Such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is identified in Section 3 of this Agreement . C. This Agreement sets forth the entire agreement and understanding between the parties as to the subject matter hereof and merge all prior discussions between them, and neither of the parties shall be bound by any conditions, definitions, warranties, understandings or representations with respect to such subject matter other than as expressly provided herein or as duly set forth on or subsequent to the date of acceptance hereof in writing and signed by a proper and duly authorized representative of the party to be bound thereby. No provision appearing on any form originated by LICENSEE shall be applicable unless such provision is expressly accepted in writing by an authorized representative of SCO. F. The AUTHORIZED COUNTRY for this Agreement shall be ______________________. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have caused this Agreement to be executed by their duly authorized representatives. LICENSEE: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. __________________________________ By:_________________________________ (Name) __________________________________ ____________________________________ (Address) (Title) __________________________________ ____________________________________ (Address) (Date) __________________________________ (By) __________________________________ (Print or Type Name __________________________________ (Title) I. 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If information relating to a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement at any time becomes available without restriction to the general public by acts not attributable to LICENSEE, LICENSEE's obligations under this section shall not apply to such information after such time. (b) Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 8.4(a), LICENSEE may make available copies of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, either in modified or unmodified form, to third parties in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY having Source Code Licenses of the same scope herewith from SCO for the same SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, if and only if (i) LICENSEE first requests verification the status of the recipient by contacting SCO at the address contained in Section 8.8(b) or other number specified by SCO, and (ii) SCO gives written verification of the recipient's software license status. LICENSEE shall maintain a record of each such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT made available. 8.5 (a) On SCO's request, but not more frequently than annually, LICENSEE shall furnish to SCO a statement, listing the location, type and serial number of the DESIGNATED CPU hereunder and stating that the use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement has been reviewed and that each such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is being used solely on the DESIGNATED CPU (or temporarily on a back-up CPU) for such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS in full compliance with the provisions of this Agreement. (b) SCO shall have the right, upon reasonable notice to LICENSEE and through SCO's accredited auditing representative, to make an on-site inspection during normal business hours, not more frequently than annually, of all LICENSEE's CPUs to determine that SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS are being used solely on the DESIGNATED CPU and are used solely for personal purposes as authorized under this Agreement. 8.6 The obligations of LICENSEE under Section 8.4 shall survive and continue after any termination of rights under this Agreement. 8.7 Neither this Agreement nor any rights hereunder, in whole or in part, shall be assignable or otherwise transferable by LICENSEE and any purported assignment or transfer shall be null and void. 8.8 (a) Payments to SCO under this Agreement shall be made payable and sent to: CHECK DRAWN ON U.S. BANK TO: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. P.O. Box 7745 San Francisco, CA 94120-7745 (b) Correspondence with SCO relating to this Agreement shall be sent to: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. 400 Encinal Street Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 United States of America Attention: Law and Corporate Affairs (c) Any statement, notice, request or other communication shall be deemed to be sufficiently given to the addressee and any delivery hereunder deemed made when sent by certified mail addressed to LICENSEE at its office specified in this Agreement or to SCO at the appropriate address specified in this Section 7.7. Each party to this Agreement may change an address relating to it by written notice to the other party. 8.9 LICENSEE shall obtain all approvals from any governmental authority in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY required to effectuate this Agreement according to its terms, including any such approvals required for LICENSEE to make payments to SCO pursuant to this Agreement. LICENSEE shall bear all expenses associated with obtaining such approvals. 8.10 The construction and performance of this Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of California, USA. SCO-Soft. Sp.-090897 Page 1 of 6
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/23 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17569 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:12:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17042 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:11:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa19105; 23 Feb 98 16:14 PST Message-ID: <19980223160625.30938@sco.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:06:25 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Lost Mail References: <19980223141611.10583@sco.com> <199802232349.KAA17545@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802232349.KAA17545@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Feb 24, 1998 at 10:49:39AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1597 Lines: 47 On Tue, Feb 24, 1998 at 10:49:39AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > > I just finished another exchange with them. Here is where > > we are on a contract. Note that > > > > 1) multiple CPUs are handled > > > > 2) Multiple countries are handled by the device of filling > > in the "AUTHORIZED COUNTRY" blank with a list of countries. > > > > 3) Fee is $100 one-time only > > > > 4) Other variants on the early UNIX, such as MINI-UNIX > > could be viewed as successors to, say, 3rd edition, so they > > are covered. Only system V is excepted. > > > > Pls take a look and let me know if you think the rest of > > the stuff is either OK or bendable enough. It may be we will > > have to settle for an agreement that has to be interpreted > > in a certain way, in order for you to do what you want. > > So be it. SCO is never going to hassle anyone over this, > > I am sure. > > -Dion > > I certainly will have a good look, and I'll punt a copy over to Steven > Schultz as well. If what you say above is right, it should be close Yes, fine. > enought. Can you get the ``SCO is never going to hassle anyone over this'' > clause put in too 8-) As I reflect on it, I might hesitate. Kidding aside, I suppose if some bad boy ported the source to an Intel box, and started selling binaries for $39, we might be annoyed and take some action. That would be fair enough, eh? However, I think given our audience, that's pretty unlikely. > Time for a morning cup of tea. Thanks again Dion! Tea. How very civilized! Of course tea is very popular here, too. What's your favorite kind? -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/23 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17993 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:05:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0@MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17495 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:03:46 +1100 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12639; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:59:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:59:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms@moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199802240059.QAA12639@moe.2bsd.com> To: dionj@sco.COM, wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Lost Mail Cc: sms@moe.2bsd.com Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1613 Lines: 48 Greetings - > As I reflect on it, I might hesitate. Kidding aside, I suppose > if some bad boy ported the source to an Intel box, Ouch - that would be rather nasty of someone to do that. Yes, I'd get annoyed too. > They missed the 7th Edition!!!!! Whoops. The only quibble, and it's a small one (the new license agreement is a vast improvement over the previous ones) is the mention of 'serial number': "type and serial number of the DESIGNATED CPU hereunder and ..." Providing a description of the system is not a problem. How much detail would be desireable? A system type could be "it's a PDP-11" all the way up to "it's a KDJ-11AB (M8192) plus MXV11B and a M8637 ..." > I drink coffee too, of course. We have something called International Roast My preference in coffee for quite a few years now has been Gevalia, from Sweden. The Swedes really know how to roast a java bean (and not the type that workstations use ;-)). > Can I ask a couple of other questions? Can I give SCO a credit card # to > pay my $100. Will SCO give out some unique key with each license: if someone Good question. I would guess that each license would be "numbered" somehow using a SCO part/inventory number, right? > If both Steven and I agree to this license, how long do you think it will > be before we can send in our signatures and $100, and get the license? Warren and I can arm-wrestle for who gets License #1 :-) :-) I've read the new version a couple times. It reads much better than before (simpler in many places) and addresses the questions that were raised. Steven Schultz
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/24 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22828 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:37:36 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21700 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:36:05 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa17640; 24 Feb 98 12:41 PST Message-ID: <19980224123306.41505@sco.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:33:06 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms@moe.2bsd.com>, wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: DRAFT of license for ancient UNIX sources References: <199802240059.QAA12639@moe.2bsd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802240059.QAA12639@moe.2bsd.com>; from Steven M. Schultz on Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 04:59:18PM -0800 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 19377 Lines: 443 DRAFT - for discussion purposes - comments to dionj@sco.com please, and to Warren Toomey, et al, as you see fit. Please do not distribute this widely. -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Czar of Free Stuff and Technical customers' advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 ============================================================================== Agreement Number: ________________ THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. SPECIAL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT A. THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC., a California corporation (SCO), having an office at 400 Encinal Street, Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 and LICENSEE, as defined in the signature block of this Agreement agree that, as of the Effective Date hereof, as defined in Section 7.1, the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement shall apply to use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement. B. SCO makes certain licensing rights for SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS available under this Agreement, including rights to make and use DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS. Such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is identified in Section 3 of this Agreement . C. This Agreement sets forth the entire agreement and understanding between the parties as to the subject matter hereof and merge all prior discussions between them, and neither of the parties shall be bound by any conditions, definitions, warranties, understandings or representations with respect to such subject matter other than as expressly provided herein or as duly set forth on or subsequent to the date of acceptance hereof in writing and signed by a proper and duly authorized representative of the party to be bound thereby. No provision appearing on any form originated by LICENSEE shall be applicable unless such provision is expressly accepted in writing by an authorized representative of SCO. F. The AUTHORIZED COUNTRY for this Agreement shall be ______________________. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have caused this Agreement to be executed by their duly authorized representatives. LICENSEE: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. __________________________________ By:_________________________________ (Name) __________________________________ ____________________________________ (Address) (Title) __________________________________ ____________________________________ (Address) (Date) __________________________________ (By) __________________________________ (Print or Type Name __________________________________ (Title) I. DEFINITIONS 1.1 AUTHORIZED COUNTRY means one or more countries specified on page 1 of this Agreement. 1.2 CPU means a computer having one or more processing units and a single global memory space. 1.3 COMPUTER PROGRAM means any instruction or instructions for controlling the operation of a CPU. 1.4 DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT means COMPUTER PROGRAMS in OBJECT CODE format based on a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 1.5 DESIGNATED CPU means all CPUs licensed as such for a specific SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 1.6 OBJECT CODE means a COMPUTER PROGRAM in binary form, resulting from the compilation of SOURCE CODE by computer or compiler into machine executable code and which is in a form of computer programs not convenient to human understanding of the program logic, but which is appropriate for execution or interpretation by computer. 1.7 SOURCE CODE means COMPUTER PROGRAMS written in certain programming languages in electronic media form and in a form convenient for reading and review by a trained individual, such as a printed or written listing of programs, containing specific algorithms, instructions, plans, routines and the like, for controlling the operation of a computer system, but which is not in a form that would be suitable for execution directly on computer hardware. 1.8 SOURCE CODE PRODUCT means a SCO software offering, primarily in SOURCE CODE form. Such offering may also include OBJECT CODE components. 1.9 SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEM means a SCO software offering that is (i) specifically designed for a 16-Bit computer, or (ii) the 32V version, and (ii) specifically excludes UNIX System V and successor operating systems. 2. GRANT OF RIGHTS 2.1 (a) SCO grants to LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and nonexclusive right to use, in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, each SOURCE CODE PRODUCT identified in Section 3 of this Agreement, solely for personal use (as restricted in Section 2.1(b)) and solely on or in conjunction with DESIGNATED CPUs, and/or Networks of CPUs, licensed by LICENSEE through this SPECIAL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT for such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. Such right to use includes the right to modify such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT and to prepare DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT based on such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, provided that any such modification or DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT that contains any part of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement is treated hereunder the same as such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. SCO claims no ownership interest in any portion of such a modification or DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT that is not part of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. (b) Personal use is limited to noncommercial uses. Any such use made in connection with the development of enhancements or modifications to SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS is permitted only if (i) neither the results of such use nor any enhancement or modification so developed is intended primarily for the benefit of a third party and (ii) any copy of any such result, enhancement or modification, furnished by LICENSEE to a third party holder of an equivalent Software License with SCO where permitted by Section 8.4(b) below, is furnished for no more than the cost of reproduction and shipping. Any such copy that includes any portion of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be subject to the provisions of such Section 8.4. (c) LICENSEE may produce printed and on-line copies of documentation included with the SOURCE CODE PRODUCT as necessary for use with the DESIGNATED CPUs. All copies must include a legally sufficient copyright notice and a statement that the documents include a portion or all of SCO's copyrighted documentation, which is being reproduced with permission. (d) Commercial use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS or of any result, enhancement or modification associated with the use of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS under this Agreement is not permitted. Such commercial use is permissible only pursuant to the terms of an appropriate commercial software agreement between SCO or a corporate affiliate thereof and LICENSEE. For purposes of this Agreement, commercial use includes, but is not limited to, furnishing copies to third parties in a manner not permitted by Section 8.4(b). (e) SCO also grants LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and nonexclusive right to make copies of DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS and, subject to U. S. Government export requirements and to Section 8.4(b), to furnish such copies directly to other LICENSEES who have an equivalent Software License with SCO before or at the time of furnishing each copy of a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT. 2.2 (a) Any notice acknowledging a contribution of a third party appearing in a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be included in corresponding portions of DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS made by LICENSEE. (b) Each portion of a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT shall include an appropriate copyright notice. Such copyright notice may be the copyright notice or notices appearing in or on the corresponding portions of the SOURCE CODE PRODUCT on which such DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT is based or, if copyrightable changes are made in developing such DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT, a copyright notice identifying the owner of such changes. 2.3 No right is granted hereunder to use any trademark of SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof). However, LICENSEE must state in packaging, labeling or other wise that a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT is derived from SCO's software under license from SCO and identify such software (including any trademark, provided the proprietor of the trademark is appropriately identified). LICENSEE agrees not to use a name or trademark for a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT that is confusingly similar to a name or trademark used by SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof). 2.4 A single back-up CPU may be used as a substitute for the DESIGNATED CPU without notice to SCO during any time when such DESIGNATED CPU is inoperative because it is malfunctioning or undergoing repair, maintenance or other modification. 3. LICENSED SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS The SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS to which SCO grants rights under this Agreement are restricted to the following UNIX Operating Systems, including SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEMs, that operate on the 16-Bit PDP-11 CPU and early versions of the 32-Bit UNIX Operating System with specific exclusion of UNIX System V and successor operating systems: 16-Bit UNIX Editions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 32-bit 32V 4. DELIVERY SCO makes no guarantees or commitments that any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is available from SCO. If available, SCO will, within a reasonable time after SCO receives the fee specified in this Agreement for a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, furnish to LICENSEE one (1) copy of such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 5. EXPORT 5.1 LICENSEE agrees that it will not, without the prior written consent of SCO, export, directly or indirectly, SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS covered by this Agreement to any country outside of the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY. 5.2 LICENSEE hereby assures SCO that it does not intend to and will not knowingly, without the prior written consent, if required, of the Office of Export Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce, Washington, D.C. 20230, transmit, directly or indirectly: (i) any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement; or (ii) any immediate product (including processes) produced directly by the use of any such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT; to Afghanistan, the People's Republic of China or any Group Q, S, W, Y or Z country specified in Supplement No. 1 to Section 370 of the Export Administration Regulations issued by the U.S. Department of Commerce. 5.3 LICENSEE agrees that its obligations under Sections 5.1 and 5.2 shall survive and continue after any termination of rights under this Agreement. 6. FEES AND TAXES 6.1 In consideration for the rights granted to LICENSEE for use of the SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS identified in Section 3 above, LICENSEE shall pay to SCO a one-time Right-to-Use Fee of US$100.00 for the DESIGNATED CPUs at the time this Agreement is returned to SCO for final execution. 6.2 Payment to SCO shall be made in United States dollars to SCO at the address specified in Section 8.8(a). 6.3 LICENSEE shall pay all taxes (and any related interest or penalty), however designated, imposed as a result of the existence or operation of this Agreement, including, but not limited to, any tax which LICENSEE is required to withhold or deduct from payment to SCO, except (i) any tax imposed upon SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof) in the jurisdiction in which the aforesaid office of LICENSEE is located if such tax is allowable as a credit against United States income taxes of SCO (or such an affiliate) and (ii) any income tax imposed upon SCO (or such an affiliate) by the United States or any governmental entity within the United States proper (the fifty (50) states and the District of Columbia). To assist in obtaining the credit identified in (i) of this Section 5.05, LICENSEE shall furnish SCO with such evidence as may be required by United States taxing authorities to establish that any such tax has been paid. The Fee specified in Section 6.1 above do not include taxes. If SCO is required to collect a tax to be paid by LICENSEE, LICENSEE shall pay such tax to SCO on demand. 7. TERM 7.1 This Agreement shall become effective on and as of the date of acceptance by SCO. The initial term of this Agreement shall be for one (1) year. Thereafter, the Agreement will automatically renew for successive one (1) year terms unless either party gives the other, no later than ninety (90) days before the end of the initial term, or then current extension, written notice of its intent to terminate this Agreement. Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to require either party to extend this Agreement beyond the initial term or any subsequent term. 7.2 LICENSEE may terminate its rights under this Agreement by written notice to SCO certifying that LICENSEE has discontinued use of and returned or destroyed, at SCO's option, all copies of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement. 7.3 If LICENSEE fails to fulfill one or more of its obligations under this Agreement, SCO may, upon its election and in addition to any other remedies it might have, at any time terminate all the rights granted by it hereunder by not less than two (2) months' written notice to LICENSEE specifying any such breach, unless within the period of such notice all breaches specified therein shall have been remedied; upon such termination LICENSEE shall immediately discontinue use of and return or destroy, at SCO's option, all copies of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS in its possession. 7.4 In the event of termination of LICENSEE's rights under Sections 7.2 or 7.3, (i) all fees that LICENSEE has become obligated to pay shall become immediately due and payable and (ii) SCO shall have no obligation to refund any amounts paid to it hereunder. 8. MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS 8.1 This Agreement shall prevail notwithstanding any conflicting terms or legends which may appear in a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 8.2 If, and only if, SCO is the entity that provides SOURCE CODE PRODUCT to LICENSEE, SCO warrants for a period of ninety (90) days from furnishing a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT to LICENSEE hereunder, that any magnetic medium on which portions of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT are furnished will be free under normal use from defects in materials, workmanship or recording. If such a defect appears within such warranty period LICENSEE may return the defective medium for replacement without charge. Replacement is LICENSEE's sole remedy with respect to such a defect. SCO also warrants that it is empowered to grant the rights granted herein. SCO and other developers make no other representations or warranties, expressly or impliedly. By way of example but not of limitation, SCO and other developers make no representations or warranties of merchantability or fitness for any particular purpose, or that the use of any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT will not infringe any patent, copyright or trademark. SCO and other developers shall not be held to any liability with respect to any claim by LICENSEE, or a third party on account of, or arising from, the use of any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 8.3 Neither the execution of this Agreement nor anything in any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be construed as an obligation upon SCO or any other developer to furnish any person, including LICENSEE, any assistance of any kind whatsoever, or any information or documentation. 8.4 (a) LICENSEE agrees that it shall hold all parts of the SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement in confidence for SCO. LICENSEE further agrees that should it make such disclosure of any or all of such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS (including methods or concepts utilized therein) to anyone to whom such disclosure is necessary to the use for which rights are granted hereunder, LICENSEE shall appropriately notify each such person to whom any such disclosure is made that such disclosure is made in confidence and shall be kept in confidence and have each such person sign a confidentiality agreement containing restrictions on disclosure substantially similar to those set forth herein. If LICENSEE should become aware of a violation of SCO's intellectual property and/or proprietary rights, LICENSEE shall promptly notify SCO and cooperate with SCO in such enforcement. If information relating to a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement at any time becomes available without restriction to the general public by acts not attributable to LICENSEE, LICENSEE's obligations under this section shall not apply to such information after such time. (b) Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 8.4(a), LICENSEE may make available copies of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, either in modified or unmodified form, to third parties in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY having Source Code Licenses of the same scope herewith from SCO for the same SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, if and only if (i) LICENSEE first requests verification the status of the recipient by contacting SCO at the address contained in Section 8.8(b) or other number specified by SCO, and (ii) SCO gives written verification of the recipient's software license status. LICENSEE shall maintain a record of each such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT made available. 8.5 (a) On SCO's request, but not more frequently than annually, LICENSEE shall furnish to SCO a statement, listing the location, type and serial number of the DESIGNATED CPU hereunder and stating that the use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement has been reviewed and that each such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is being used solely on the DESIGNATED CPU (or temporarily on a back-up CPU) for such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS in full compliance with the provisions of this Agreement. (b) SCO shall have the right, upon reasonable notice to LICENSEE and through SCO's accredited auditing representative, to make an on-site inspection during normal business hours, not more frequently than annually, of all LICENSEE's CPUs to determine that SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS are being used solely on the DESIGNATED CPU and are used solely for personal purposes as authorized under this Agreement. 8.6 The obligations of LICENSEE under Section 8.4 shall survive and continue after any termination of rights under this Agreement. 8.7 Neither this Agreement nor any rights hereunder, in whole or in part, shall be assignable or otherwise transferable by LICENSEE and any purported assignment or transfer shall be null and void. 8.8 (a) Payments to SCO under this Agreement shall be made payable and sent to: CHECK DRAWN ON U.S. BANK TO: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. P.O. Box 7745 San Francisco, CA 94120-7745 (b) Correspondence with SCO relating to this Agreement shall be sent to: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. 400 Encinal Street Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 United States of America Attention: Law and Corporate Affairs (c) Any statement, notice, request or other communication shall be deemed to be sufficiently given to the addressee and any delivery hereunder deemed made when sent by certified mail addressed to LICENSEE at its office specified in this Agreement or to SCO at the appropriate address specified in this Section 7.7. Each party to this Agreement may change an address relating to it by written notice to the other party. 8.9 LICENSEE shall obtain all approvals from any governmental authority in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY required to effectuate this Agreement according to its terms, including any such approvals required for LICENSEE to make payments to SCO pursuant to this Agreement. LICENSEE shall bear all expenses associated with obtaining such approvals. 8.10 The construction and performance of this Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of California, USA. SCO-Soft. Sp.-022498
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/24 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23010 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:19:04 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22278 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:17:33 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa22663; 24 Feb 98 14:22 PST Message-ID: <19980224141423.36849@sco.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:14:23 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: DRAFT of license for ancient UNIX sources References: <19980224123306.41505@sco.com> <199802242214.JAA22979@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802242214.JAA22979@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 09:14:41AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 736 Lines: 24 What I will TRY to do is tell the NJ legal folks that this is it - we have negotiated and agreed on this. I may or may not be able to pull off that little coup. I suspect they are getting pretty tired of this and they know I will not go away. They may just give up and say OK. ;-) If so, I think we will be in business just about immediately! On Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 09:14:41AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Dion Johnson: > > > > DRAFT - for discussion purposes - comments to dionj@sco.com please, > > and to Warren Toomey, et al, as you see fit. Please do not > > distribute this widely. -Dion > > Thanks Dion. Any rough idea on availablility of this license if we give you > the go ahead? > > Ciao, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/24 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23108 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:36:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22391 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:35:22 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa23603; 24 Feb 98 14:40 PST Message-ID: <19980224143216.53836@sco.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:32:16 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: DRAFT of license for ancient UNIX sources References: <19980224141423.36849@sco.com> <199802242226.JAA23024@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802242226.JAA23024@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 09:26:19AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 1821 Lines: 50 On Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 09:26:19AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Dion Johnson: > > What I will TRY to do is tell the NJ legal folks that > > this is it - we have negotiated and agreed on this. > > I may or may not be able to pull off that little coup. > > I suspect they are getting pretty tired of this and > > they know I will not go away. They may just give up > > and say OK. ;-) If so, I think we will be in business > > just about immediately! > > I think that if you tell them it's over, they should be heartened. Please > let them know we appreciate their efforts. > > I'd like to know what the mechanism will be to get a license, so that I can > write a FAQ entry for it. How do overseas people, like myself, get the > paperwork to SCO. Who nominates the authorized countries and designated CPUs? Right. I think we need a simplified summary of the license to be online, perhaps at your website if that's the right place, and also at our website. I suspect our legal folks will not want the entire license text to be online. So, you will request the license form from SCO; we mail it. You fill in the designated CPU info, and what countries are to be covered. I will try to track down what is the list of "bad" countries. > > I'll also need a contact in licensing, so that I can get written authorization > when I need to pass source code copies to new licencees. Right, I will ask for that. Maybe we give you a stack of blank license contract forms? > Will SCO accept credit card numbers (via PGP-encrypted mail), or do I really > have to send a US$ bank cheque? I dont think we have any ready mechanism to handle credit cards in the legal dept, but I will check. > Etc etc. What else can I think of?? I'm sure you will think of more administrivia. ;-) -Dion > 8-) > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/25 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25463 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:20:16 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29972 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:18:40 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa05993; 25 Feb 98 14:21 PST Message-ID: <19980225141305.31579@sco.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:13:05 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: DRAFT of ancient UNIX license. References: <19980225075006.41739@sco.com> <199802252203.JAA25350@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802252203.JAA25350@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:03:34AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 727 Lines: 21 On Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:03:34AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > > > 1. Authorized country? What's that? Will I who live in Sweden be > > > able to get the UNIX license? > > This will be used to fill in a list of the countries which the > > licensee wishes the license to apply to. Probably we ought > > to work up a standard list that everyone agrees on. > > How about ``All countries not excluded in Section 5.2 of this license''? > > Warren I tried to get them to just write the license this way, but they refused. So, we simply make up a list of countries and print it on a page and attach it to the license as licensee-submitted data. Or maybe we just write in what you wrote above and see if it flies. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/25 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25522 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:33:32 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00089 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:31:55 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa06705; 25 Feb 98 14:36 PST Message-ID: <19980225142808.42496@sco.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:28:08 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: DRAFT of ancient UNIX license. References: <19980225141305.31579@sco.com> <199802252224.JAA25486@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802252224.JAA25486@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:24:05AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1305 Lines: 37 On Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:24:05AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Dion Johnson: > > > How about ``All countries not excluded by Section 5.2 of this license''? > > > > I tried to get them to just write the license this way, but they > > refused. So, we simply make up a list of countries and print it > > on a page and attach it to the license as licensee-submitted > > data. Or maybe we just write in what you wrote above and see > > if it flies. > > 8-) > > Sounds good to me. Given I don't actually own a PDP-11 myself, I want > to see their faces when they see the list of designated CPUs: > > KDJ-11 emulator by Bob Supnik > KDJ-11 emulator by John Wilson (aka Ersatz) > User-mode KDJ-11 by Warren Toomey <snicker> that will be fun. > > What about SCO including a CD-ROM with each license. Do you think they'd > be prepared to do this? Well... hmmm... we are not really staffed in the legal dept and free stuff programs to do this. I was hoping you enthusiasts already have all the code and can share it among yourselves as needed. E.g. if a new player wants the stuff, they send us $100 and a filled out license form. Then we notify you (or notify the PUPS society) that this person is licensed, and you guys figure out how to service the new guy. Would that work?
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/25 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25626 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:48:39 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00286 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:47:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa07501; 25 Feb 98 14:52 PST Message-ID: <19980225144345.61400@sco.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:43:45 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: DRAFT of ancient UNIX license. References: <19980225142808.42496@sco.com> <199802252235.JAA25542@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802252235.JAA25542@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:35:34AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 894 Lines: 26 On Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:35:34AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > > E.g. if a new player wants the stuff, they send us $100 and a > > filled out license form. Then we notify you (or notify the PUPS > > society) that this person is licensed, and you guys figure out > > how to service the new guy. Would that work? > > Yeah, as long as there's a mechanism for us to guarantee that someone > actually owns a license. I suppose you guys would like a copy of the CD-ROM, > too?! > Thanks, > Warren I guess if I send you a message that Ralph@foo.net.au has a license, that's good enough? Maybe we need to use PGP to guarantee truth? Sure, we'd like the CD. ;-) I will even compensate you for it somehow... By the way, if you want any SCO software for free, just say the word. Never mind asking for a 100-user server license, but any of the usual stuff is yours for the asking. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/02/25 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25713 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:05:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00428 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:03:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa08793; 25 Feb 98 15:08 PST Message-ID: <19980225145948.16857@sco.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:59:48 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: DRAFT of ancient UNIX license. References: <19980225144345.61400@sco.com> <199802252256.JAA25689@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802252256.JAA25689@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:56:49AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1162 Lines: 38 Woops I seem to have misplaced your postal/shipping address. Can yoy pls send? I need a phone number, too. On Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:56:49AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > > I guess if I send you a message that Ralph@foo.net.au has a license, > > that's good enough? Maybe we need to use PGP to guarantee truth? > > Yes please. And you should send any license identification information, > such as license numbers etc. According to the license, I have to keep > copis of this. > > You can pick up my PGP public key from > > http://www.auug.org.au/cgi-bin/pgpkey.pl > > which is a key-signing service. > > > Sure, we'd like the CD. ;-) I will even compensate you for it > > somehow... > > You already have, Dion. > > > By the way, if you want any SCO software for free, just say the > > word. Never mind asking for a 100-user server license, but > > any of the usual stuff is yours for the asking. > > 8-) I'm not sure I heard that. I wouldn't mind that free SCO OpenServer > and UnixWare, at least so I can get Motif up on my FreeBSD box. > > I'll browse your web site & send you a shopping list sometime. > > Many thanks, > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08048 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:24:35 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11683 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:24:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa19243; 2 Mar 98 15:30 PST Message-ID: <19980302152605.46176@sco.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:26:05 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Full Steam Ahead with License References: <199803012315.KAA02121@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803012315.KAA02121@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Mon, Mar 02, 1998 at 10:15:36AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 955 Lines: 31 See below. On Mon, Mar 02, 1998 at 10:15:36AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > Dion, > No negative feedback on the mailing list re the license. If you haven't > already, give legal the go-ahead on the license. I am going to give myself the go-ahead and not bother those busy legal folks any more. It looks like we may be able to permit credit cards and Intl Money Orders. Are VISA and AMEX enough cards to support? I should know pretty soon on this. > I am proposing that a number of volunteers burn CDs to meet the demand > of the licencees. Someone asked if a password-protected ftp site would be ok? > I thought that it might contravene the license. What's your opinion? As long as you know WHO has the password, that would be in accordance with the license, as I read it. -Dion > I've talked to a number of people who write journal articles, to get this > some more publicity, but only when the license is purchasable. > > Thanks, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08317 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:26:01 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12274 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:25:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa23240; 2 Mar 98 16:27 PST Message-ID: <19980302162337.13017@sco.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:23:37 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: License paperwork References: <199803022334.KAA08093@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803022334.KAA08093@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 10:34:10AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1880 Lines: 52 On Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 10:34:10AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > Dion, > You mentioned that legal may not be happy with the full license > being publically available. Does this mean that we have to write SCO to > get paper copies? I was concerned that some nefarious hacker would modify the license and sign it, send in, and we not notice that he modified it. But I just went over and talked to some of the legal folks here... as far as they are concerned, this is not a big exposure. So you can put it on your website, and we may (or may not) put it on ours. In any case, we would like to put a link to your website. We will probably create a PR-oriented web page about this, giving credit to you and PUPS et al who signed the petition or whatever makes sense. So I guess we can do whatever feels reasonable. We can always spot check these (or check every one of them if someone wants to). But will not do any fancy authentication procedures. Someday in the future when electronic commerce is more developed things like verification of forms and electronic signatures will be commonplace... So I guess what we have is this: 1. prospective licensee gets the form from your website. 2. He signs and sends to us here and sends his $100 to SF PO box 3. Someone here lets you know that he is a licensee. 4. You can send him the source code (and charge a fee for that as you see fit). As soon as I get an answer on the credit card/ IMO question, we are done, it seems. -Dion > Having a .ps or .pdf or .doc version of the license available on your > web site (or ftp site) would be much better. Prospective licensees could > download, print, sign and post it into SCO with their cheque or credit > card details. > > Maybe as a middle-ground solution, I could hold the electronic version, and > email it to people who want it? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/03 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15842 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:28:40 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA21433 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:28:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa01564; 3 Mar 98 12:33 PST Message-ID: <19980303122911.38200@sco.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:29:11 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: License paperwork References: <19980302162337.13017@sco.com> <199803030103.MAA08355@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803030103.MAA08355@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 12:03:46PM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 716 Lines: 24 On Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 12:03:46PM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > > So I guess what we have is this: > > 1. prospective licensee gets the form from your website. > > 2. He signs and sends to us here and sends his $100 to SF PO box > > 3. Someone here lets you know that he is a licensee. > > 4. You can send him the source code (and charge a fee for that > > as you see fit). > > > > As soon as I get an answer on the credit card/ IMO question, > > we are done, it seems. > > -Dion > > I think so. Thanks again for all this effort. You'll be glad to have a > break from me when this is all over. > Phew! > Warren Quite frankly, you are one of the most reasonable customers I've ever dealt with. ;-) -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/03 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17364 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:53:03 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21865 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:52:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa06299; 3 Mar 98 13:58 PST Message-ID: <19980303135358.50249@sco.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:53:58 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: License paperwork References: <19980303122911.38200@sco.com> <199803032111.IAA15985@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803032111.IAA15985@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 08:11:45AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 984 Lines: 29 On Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 08:11:45AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > > Quite frankly, you are one of the most reasonable customers I've > > ever dealt with. ;-) > > You must have some awful customers then. Next gnarly question from the > mailing list: > > > Will those who have to > > transfer the source kit through a PC-clone or other Unix workstation > > have to license the intermediary machines with SCO? In other words, > > will the intermediary machines need to be registered as "DESIGNATED > > CPU"s? > > I hope not! > > Warren Right, that makes no sense at all. I suspect we (you and I) will want to whip up a sort of cover letter for the license that explains how to fill out the form and, as experience accumulates, a FAQ, etc. I know that academically inclined people enjoy nitpicking and obliquely critiquing legal language by reading in various permutations of parentheses... and it's fun up to a point, but I dont want to get too bogged down with this. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/03 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08086 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:29:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (octarine-253.cc.adfa.oz.au [131.236.253.20]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11733 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:28:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.160]) by octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06695 for <wkt@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:28:44 +1100 (EST) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03193 for pups-liszt; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:28:13 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03188 for <pups@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:28:09 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08076; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:28:19 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803022328.KAA08076@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Full Steam Ahead with License To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion Johnson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:28:19 +1100 (EST) Cc: pups@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) In-Reply-To: <19980302152605.46176@sco.com> from Dion Johnson at "Mar 2, 98 03:26:05 pm" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 667 Lines: 24 In article by Dion Johnson: > I am going to give myself the go-ahead and not bother those busy > legal folks any more. Goodo. > It looks like we may be able to permit credit cards and Intl Money Orders. > Are VISA and AMEX enough cards to support? I should know pretty soon on this. I suspect that would be fine. > > Someone asked if a password-protected ftp site would be ok? > > I thought that it might contravene the license. What's your opinion? > > As long as you know WHO has the password, that would be in accordance > with the license, as I read it. > -Dion That's excellent news, Dion. I'll cc this to the PUPS mailing list. Thanks again, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/09 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10622 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:23:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03718 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:22:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa22520; 9 Mar 98 16:28 PST Message-ID: <19980309162345.49134@sco.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:23:45 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Draft of `How to Get License' info References: <199803100005.LAA10612@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803100005.LAA10612@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Mar 10, 1998 at 11:05:08AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 4010 Lines: 119 On Tue, Mar 10, 1998 at 11:05:08AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > Dion, > Hi, I'm just drafting a set of instructions to add to the PUP web > page on how to get the new PDP-11 license from SCO. I've attached it below. > Stuff in [] are comments about things I'm not sure of. Good show! > Could you read through it and suggest any useful changes? Yes, see below. > I'm also not sure if I'm going to contact SCO to verify that a person > owns a license, or if SCO is going to contact me when someone buys a license. > Which way, and who to contact at SCO? I think we need to send you an email when a license is signed. That is, when WE sign it and return a copy to the sender. > Mind you, I'm hanging out for the official announcement, so are about > 300 other people. > > Many thanks again!! > > Warren > > > Here's how to get a source license for PDP-11 Unix from SCO: > > 1. Download the SCO source license from this web server [``SCO source license'' I think we can call it "SCO Special Software License" As far as I know, you can put it on your website too. > is the hyperlink]. Alternatively ftp it from ftp://..., or obtain it from > SCO's web server at http://.... http://www.sco.com/offers > [?] The source license is in several formats: [which ones?] I think we just want it in ordinary ASCII text. I sure as hell would not have a Word format document. ;-) We should tell folks to avoid messing with the text of the contract so that our "contract text checking program" will not be confused. <wink> <wink>. > 2. Print the source license out. > > 3. Fill in your full name and address. > > 4. For AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, I suggest writing: > > All countries not excluded by Section 5.2 Yes, very good. I have no idea how to find that damned govt list. I think our reference is out of date but who cares? > 5. You need to list the DESIGNATED CPUs. [Do we? I can't see where on > the draft to fill this in] If you have PDP-11 hardware, > list the number and models of PDP-11s, e.g No, it doesnt say that. It says that on our request, you must furnish the list, but we dont demand it up front. In practice, I doubt we will ever ask anyone to furnish this, much less do an on-site visit. Of course, it might be a fun way to win a trip to Australia if I volunteer to go on a tour to see that our highly valuable intellectual property is being treated right... ;-) > > two PDP-11/45, three PDP-11/23 > > If you are going to run the software using the emulators, list them, e.g > > PDP-11/40 emulator written by Eric Edwards > PDP-11/45 emulator (Ersatz) written by John Wilson > PDP-11/45 emulator written by Bob Supnik > PDP-11/45 emulator (P11) written by Joerg Micheel & Harti Brandt > User-mode PDP-11 emulator (Apout) written by Warren Toomey > > You might as well put these in anyway. > > 6. Draw a cheque (from a U.S bank) for US$100 to The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > An alternative is to quote your credit card number, described below. Or Intl Money Order. I think we need to explicitly say VISA, Mastercard, or American Express. I dont want to have trouble with some indigenous, local credit cards, if possible. > 7. Write a cover note giving you name and contact details (address, fax, email) > and indicating you wish to purchase the enclosed source license for PDP-11 > Unix. Quote your credit card details here, if you are paying by this method, > and authorise SCO to withdraw US$100 from your card. > > 8. Sign the license agreement. Sign the cover note. Send the agreement, cover > note and any bank cheque to: > > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > P.O. Box 7745 > San Francisco, CA 94120-7745 > > 9. Wait for a response from SCO. SCO will try to respond within 2 weeks. (I'm guessing here) If you have any questions, contact: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. 400 Encinal Street Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 United States of America Attention: Law and Corporate Affairs
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/10 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11607 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:51:31 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA16038 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:50:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa18129; 10 Mar 98 12:50 PST Message-ID: <19980310124522.51796@sco.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:45:22 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Draft of `How to Get License' info References: <19980309162345.49134@sco.com> <199803100038.LAA10653@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803100038.LAA10653@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Mar 10, 1998 at 11:38:22AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 398 Lines: 19 Warren, Are there any cute/interesting logos or other graphics in any of your old UNIX materials? I'm looking for something to put on our web page to advertise the new $100 license for ancient source. If you could scan in something and email it, or even postal mail a box cover or something I can scan in or digi-photograph... I dont have any of these ancient materials around here. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/10 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11880 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:09:34 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17467 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:08:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa25483; 10 Mar 98 15:14 PST Message-ID: <19980310150908.20262@sco.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:09:08 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Draft of `How to Get License' info References: <19980310130649.37234@sco.com> <199803102302.KAA11854@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803102302.KAA11854@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Mar 11, 1998 at 10:02:18AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 17 License form (signed) and the remittance both go to the PO box in SF. On Wed, Mar 11, 1998 at 10:02:18AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Dion Johnson: > > Looks good. You will probably want to tweak it as > > questions come up. > > Just one, do we send the license to PO Box 7745, or to Encinal street. > I know the cheques got to PO Box 7745. > > Thanks, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/10 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11615 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:12:20 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA16136 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:11:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa19229; 10 Mar 98 13:11 PST Message-ID: <19980310130649.37234@sco.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:06:49 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Draft of `How to Get License' info References: <19980309162345.49134@sco.com> <199803100038.LAA10653@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803100038.LAA10653@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Mar 10, 1998 at 11:38:22AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2190 Lines: 65 Looks good. You will probably want to tweak it as questions come up. As far as I understand things, we are ready to go when you are. That is, we can accept license applications any time. I am working with our webpage gnomes to get something online here. Probably takes a week or two, the way our bureaucracy operates... On Tue, Mar 10, 1998 at 11:38:22AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > Here's the next draft with your suggestions, Dion. > > Warren > > > Here's how to get a source license for PDP-11 Unix from SCO: > > 1. Download the SCO Special Software License from this web server. > Alternatively ftp it from ftp://..., or obtain it from > SCO's web server at http://www.sco.com/offers. > > 2. Print the source license out. Don't think about modifying the license > because it is verified when it gets to SCO, and all you are doing is > throwing away the cost of postage. > > 3. Fill in your full name and address. > > 4. For AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, I suggest writing: > > All countries not excluded by Section 5.2 > > 5. Draw a cheque (from a U.S bank), or an international money order, for > US$100. It must be payable to The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > An alternative is to quote your credit card number, described below. > > 6. Write a cover note giving you name and contact details (address, fax, email) > and indicating you wish to purchase the enclosed SCO Special Software > License. > > 7. You can pay by VISA, Mastercard, or American Express credit card if you > choose. Quote your credit card details in the cover note, if you are paying > by this method, and authorise SCO to withdraw US$100 from your card. > > 8. Sign the license agreement. Sign the cover note. Send the agreement, cover > note and any bank cheque to: > > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > P.O. Box 7745 > San Francisco, CA 94120-7745 > > 9. Wait for a response. SCO will try to respond within 2 weeks. > If you have any questions about the license or its status, contact: > > THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. > 400 Encinal Street > Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 > United States of America > > Attention: Law and Corporate Affairs
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/10 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11794 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:19:40 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16768 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:18:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa22666; 10 Mar 98 14:21 PST Message-ID: <19980310141558.40721@sco.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:15:58 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Draft of `How to Get License' info References: <19980310130649.37234@sco.com> <199803102148.IAA11714@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803102148.IAA11714@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Mar 11, 1998 at 08:48:11AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 19397 Lines: 443 THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. SPECIAL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR ANCIENT UNIX SOURCE CODE Agreement Number: ________________ (to be assigned by SCO upon acceptance) A. THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC., a California corporation (SCO), having an office at 400 Encinal Street, Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 and LICENSEE, as defined in the signature block of this Agreement agree that, as of the Effective Date hereof, as defined in Section 7.1, the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement shall apply to use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement. B. SCO makes certain licensing rights for SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS available under this Agreement, including rights to make and use DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS. Such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is identified in Section 3 of this Agreement . C. This Agreement sets forth the entire agreement and understanding between the parties as to the subject matter hereof and merge all prior discussions between them, and neither of the parties shall be bound by any conditions, definitions, warranties, understandings or representations with respect to such subject matter other than as expressly provided herein or as duly set forth on or subsequent to the date of acceptance hereof in writing and signed by a proper and duly authorized representative of the party to be bound thereby. No provision appearing on any form originated by LICENSEE shall be applicable unless such provision is expressly accepted in writing by an authorized representative of SCO. F. The AUTHORIZED COUNTRY for this Agreement shall be ______________________. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have caused this Agreement to be executed by their duly authorized representatives. LICENSEE: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. __________________________________ By:_________________________________ Name Title __________________________________ ____________________________________ Address Printed name and title __________________________________ ____________________________________ Address __________________________________ ____________________________________ Address Date __________________________________ By __________________________________ Print or Type Name and title __________________________________ Phone and FAX, please __________________________________ Email address - required I. DEFINITIONS 1.1 AUTHORIZED COUNTRY means one or more countries specified on page 1 of this Agreement. 1.2 CPU means a computer having one or more processing units and a single global memory space. 1.3 COMPUTER PROGRAM means any instruction or instructions for controlling the operation of a CPU. 1.4 DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT means COMPUTER PROGRAMS in OBJECT CODE format based on a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 1.5 DESIGNATED CPU means all CPUs licensed as such for a specific SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 1.6 OBJECT CODE means a COMPUTER PROGRAM in binary form, resulting from the compilation of SOURCE CODE by computer or compiler into machine executable code and which is in a form of computer programs not convenient to human understanding of the program logic, but which is appropriate for execution or interpretation by computer. 1.7 SOURCE CODE means COMPUTER PROGRAMS written in certain programming languages in electronic media form and in a form convenient for reading and review by a trained individual, such as a printed or written listing of programs, containing specific algorithms, instructions, plans, routines and the like, for controlling the operation of a computer system, but which is not in a form that would be suitable for execution directly on computer hardware. 1.8 SOURCE CODE PRODUCT means a SCO software offering, primarily in SOURCE CODE form. Such offering may also include OBJECT CODE components. 1.9 SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEM means a SCO software offering that is (i) specifically designed for a 16-Bit computer, or (ii) the 32V version, and (ii) specifically excludes UNIX System V and successor operating systems. 2. GRANT OF RIGHTS 2.1 (a) SCO grants to LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and nonexclusive right to use, in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, each SOURCE CODE PRODUCT identified in Section 3 of this Agreement, solely for personal use (as restricted in Section 2.1(b)) and solely on or in conjunction with DESIGNATED CPUs, and/or Networks of CPUs, licensed by LICENSEE through this SPECIAL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT for such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. Such right to use includes the right to modify such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT and to prepare DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT based on such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, provided that any such modification or DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT that contains any part of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement is treated hereunder the same as such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. SCO claims no ownership interest in any portion of such a modification or DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT that is not part of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. (b) Personal use is limited to noncommercial uses. Any such use made in connection with the development of enhancements or modifications to SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS is permitted only if (i) neither the results of such use nor any enhancement or modification so developed is intended primarily for the benefit of a third party and (ii) any copy of any such result, enhancement or modification, furnished by LICENSEE to a third party holder of an equivalent Software License with SCO where permitted by Section 8.4(b) below, is furnished for no more than the cost of reproduction and shipping. Any such copy that includes any portion of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be subject to the provisions of such Section 8.4. (c) LICENSEE may produce printed and on-line copies of documentation included with the SOURCE CODE PRODUCT as necessary for use with the DESIGNATED CPUs. All copies must include a legally sufficient copyright notice and a statement that the documents include a portion or all of SCO's copyrighted documentation, which is being reproduced with permission. (d) Commercial use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS or of any result, enhancement or modification associated with the use of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS under this Agreement is not permitted. Such commercial use is permissible only pursuant to the terms of an appropriate commercial software agreement between SCO or a corporate affiliate thereof and LICENSEE. For purposes of this Agreement, commercial use includes, but is not limited to, furnishing copies to third parties in a manner not permitted by Section 8.4(b). (e) SCO also grants LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and nonexclusive right to make copies of DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS and, subject to U. S. Government export requirements and to Section 8.4(b), to furnish such copies directly to other LICENSEES who have an equivalent Software License with SCO before or at the time of furnishing each copy of a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT. 2.2 (a) Any notice acknowledging a contribution of a third party appearing in a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be included in corresponding portions of DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS made by LICENSEE. (b) Each portion of a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT shall include an appropriate copyright notice. Such copyright notice may be the copyright notice or notices appearing in or on the corresponding portions of the SOURCE CODE PRODUCT on which such DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT is based or, if copyrightable changes are made in developing such DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT, a copyright notice identifying the owner of such changes. 2.3 No right is granted hereunder to use any trademark of SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof). However, LICENSEE must state in packaging, labeling or other wise that a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT is derived from SCO's software under license from SCO and identify such software (including any trademark, provided the proprietor of the trademark is appropriately identified). LICENSEE agrees not to use a name or trademark for a DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT that is confusingly similar to a name or trademark used by SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof). 2.4 A single back-up CPU may be used as a substitute for the DESIGNATED CPU without notice to SCO during any time when such DESIGNATED CPU is inoperative because it is malfunctioning or undergoing repair, maintenance or other modification. 3. LICENSED SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS The SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS to which SCO grants rights under this Agreement are restricted to the following UNIX Operating Systems, including SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEMs, that operate on the 16-Bit PDP-11 CPU and early versions of the 32-Bit UNIX Operating System with specific exclusion of UNIX System V and successor operating systems: 16-Bit UNIX Editions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 32-bit 32V 4. DELIVERY SCO makes no guarantees or commitments that any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is available from SCO. If available, SCO will, within a reasonable time after SCO receives the fee specified in this Agreement for a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, furnish to LICENSEE one (1) copy of such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 5. EXPORT 5.1 LICENSEE agrees that it will not, without the prior written consent of SCO, export, directly or indirectly, SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS covered by this Agreement to any country outside of the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY. 5.2 LICENSEE hereby assures SCO that it does not intend to and will not knowingly, without the prior written consent, if required, of the Office of Export Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce, Washington, D.C. 20230, transmit, directly or indirectly: (i) any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement; or (ii) any immediate product (including processes) produced directly by the use of any such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT; to Afghanistan, the People's Republic of China or any Group Q, S, W, Y or Z country specified in Supplement No. 1 to Section 370 of the Export Administration Regulations issued by the U.S. Department of Commerce. 5.3 LICENSEE agrees that its obligations under Sections 5.1 and 5.2 shall survive and continue after any termination of rights under this Agreement. 6. FEES AND TAXES 6.1 In consideration for the rights granted to LICENSEE for use of the SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS identified in Section 3 above, LICENSEE shall pay to SCO a one-time Right-to-Use Fee of US$100.00 for the DESIGNATED CPUs at the time this Agreement is returned to SCO for final execution. 6.2 Payment to SCO shall be made in United States dollars to SCO at the address specified in Section 8.8(a). 6.3 LICENSEE shall pay all taxes (and any related interest or penalty), however designated, imposed as a result of the existence or operation of this Agreement, including, but not limited to, any tax which LICENSEE is required to withhold or deduct from payment to SCO, except (i) any tax imposed upon SCO (or a corporate affiliate thereof) in the jurisdiction in which the aforesaid office of LICENSEE is located if such tax is allowable as a credit against United States income taxes of SCO (or such an affiliate) and (ii) any income tax imposed upon SCO (or such an affiliate) by the United States or any governmental entity within the United States proper (the fifty (50) states and the District of Columbia). To assist in obtaining the credit identified in (i) of this Section 5.05, LICENSEE shall furnish SCO with such evidence as may be required by United States taxing authorities to establish that any such tax has been paid. The Fee specified in Section 6.1 above do not include taxes. If SCO is required to collect a tax to be paid by LICENSEE, LICENSEE shall pay such tax to SCO on demand. 7. TERM 7.1 This Agreement shall become effective on and as of the date of acceptance by SCO. The initial term of this Agreement shall be for one (1) year. Thereafter, the Agreement will automatically renew for successive one (1) year terms unless either party gives the other, no later than ninety (90) days before the end of the initial term, or then current extension, written notice of its intent to terminate this Agreement. Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to require either party to extend this Agreement beyond the initial term or any subsequent term. 7.2 LICENSEE may terminate its rights under this Agreement by written notice to SCO certifying that LICENSEE has discontinued use of and returned or destroyed, at SCO's option, all copies of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement. 7.3 If LICENSEE fails to fulfill one or more of its obligations under this Agreement, SCO may, upon its election and in addition to any other remedies it might have, at any time terminate all the rights granted by it hereunder by not less than two (2) months' written notice to LICENSEE specifying any such breach, unless within the period of such notice all breaches specified therein shall have been remedied; upon such termination LICENSEE shall immediately discontinue use of and return or destroy, at SCO's option, all copies of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS in its possession. 7.4 In the event of termination of LICENSEE's rights under Sections 7.2 or 7.3, (i) all fees that LICENSEE has become obligated to pay shall become immediately due and payable and (ii) SCO shall have no obligation to refund any amounts paid to it hereunder. 8. MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS 8.1 This Agreement shall prevail notwithstanding any conflicting terms or legends which may appear in a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 8.2 If, and only if, SCO is the entity that provides SOURCE CODE PRODUCT to LICENSEE, SCO warrants for a period of ninety (90) days from furnishing a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT to LICENSEE hereunder, that any magnetic medium on which portions of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT are furnished will be free under normal use from defects in materials, workmanship or recording. If such a defect appears within such warranty period LICENSEE may return the defective medium for replacement without charge. Replacement is LICENSEE's sole remedy with respect to such a defect. SCO also warrants that it is empowered to grant the rights granted herein. SCO and other developers make no other representations or warranties, expressly or impliedly. By way of example but not of limitation, SCO and other developers make no representations or warranties of merchantability or fitness for any particular purpose, or that the use of any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT will not infringe any patent, copyright or trademark. SCO and other developers shall not be held to any liability with respect to any claim by LICENSEE, or a third party on account of, or arising from, the use of any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT. 8.3 Neither the execution of this Agreement nor anything in any SOURCE CODE PRODUCT shall be construed as an obligation upon SCO or any other developer to furnish any person, including LICENSEE, any assistance of any kind whatsoever, or any information or documentation. 8.4 (a) LICENSEE agrees that it shall hold all parts of the SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement in confidence for SCO. LICENSEE further agrees that should it make such disclosure of any or all of such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS (including methods or concepts utilized therein) to anyone to whom such disclosure is necessary to the use for which rights are granted hereunder, LICENSEE shall appropriately notify each such person to whom any such disclosure is made that such disclosure is made in confidence and shall be kept in confidence and have each such person sign a confidentiality agreement containing restrictions on disclosure substantially similar to those set forth herein. If LICENSEE should become aware of a violation of SCO's intellectual property and/or proprietary rights, LICENSEE shall promptly notify SCO and cooperate with SCO in such enforcement. If information relating to a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement at any time becomes available without restriction to the general public by acts not attributable to LICENSEE, LICENSEE's obligations under this section shall not apply to such information after such time. (b) Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 8.4(a), LICENSEE may make available copies of a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, either in modified or unmodified form, to third parties in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY having Source Code Licenses of the same scope herewith from SCO for the same SOURCE CODE PRODUCT, if and only if (i) LICENSEE first requests verification the status of the recipient by contacting SCO at the address contained in Section 8.8(b) or other number specified by SCO, and (ii) SCO gives written verification of the recipient's software license status. LICENSEE shall maintain a record of each such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT made available. 8.5 (a) On SCO's request, but not more frequently than annually, LICENSEE shall furnish to SCO a statement, listing the location, type and serial number of the DESIGNATED CPU hereunder and stating that the use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this Agreement has been reviewed and that each such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is being used solely on the DESIGNATED CPU (or temporarily on a back-up CPU) for such SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS in full compliance with the provisions of this Agreement. (b) SCO shall have the right, upon reasonable notice to LICENSEE and through SCO's accredited auditing representative, to make an on-site inspection during normal business hours, not more frequently than annually, of all LICENSEE's CPUs to determine that SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS are being used solely on the DESIGNATED CPU and are used solely for personal purposes as authorized under this Agreement. 8.6 The obligations of LICENSEE under Section 8.4 shall survive and continue after any termination of rights under this Agreement. 8.7 Neither this Agreement nor any rights hereunder, in whole or in part, shall be assignable or otherwise transferable by LICENSEE and any purported assignment or transfer shall be null and void. 8.8 (a) Payments to SCO under this Agreement shall be made in US dollars, by credit card (VISA, American Express, or Mastercard ONLY), International Money Order, or check drawn on U.S. bank payable to: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. P.O. Box 7745 San Francisco, CA 94120-7745 (b) Correspondence with SCO relating to this Agreement shall be sent to: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. 400 Encinal Street Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 United States of America Attention: Law and Corporate Affairs (c) Any statement, notice, request or other communication shall be deemed to be sufficiently given to the addressee and any delivery hereunder deemed made when sent by certified mail addressed to LICENSEE at its office specified in this Agreement or to SCO at the appropriate address specified in this Section 7.7. Each party to this Agreement may change an address relating to it by written notice to the other party. 8.9 LICENSEE shall obtain all approvals from any governmental authority in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY required to effectuate this Agreement according to its terms, including any such approvals required for LICENSEE to make payments to SCO pursuant to this Agreement. LICENSEE shall bear all expenses associated with obtaining such approvals. 8.10 The construction and performance of this Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of California, USA. SCO-Soft. Sp.-030998
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/10 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11876 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:09:15 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17456 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:07:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa25449; 10 Mar 98 15:13 PST Message-ID: <19980310150838.29113@sco.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:08:38 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Draft of `How to Get License' info References: <19980310141558.40721@sco.com> <199803102251.JAA11827@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803102251.JAA11827@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Mar 11, 1998 at 09:51:34AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1287 Lines: 37 I suspect the legal/finance folks will holler "foul" when this hits them but hell that's their job. ;-) And now, here is a possible beginning for an announcement. Let me know what you think. Pass this along to anyone else whom you wish to comment. 10 March 1998 SCO Provides Low-cost Source License for Ancient UNIX Versions -------------------------------------------------------------- SCO, in cooperation with the PDP-11 UNIX Preservation Society, is happy to announce the availability of a special software license for UNIX Editions 1-7 and 32V. This license permits hobbyists and enthusiasts to have access to the source code of these historic versions of UNIX, for personal and noncommercial use, and to share experiences and code updates with other licensees. The license text may be found online at www.sco.com/offers, and the PUPS website URL below. A $100 fee is charged to offset cost of legal and administrative handling of the license. If you are interested, and for more information, check the PUPS website at http://minnie.adfa.oz.au/PUPS Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Czar of Free Stuff and Technical customers' advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/18 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03644 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:10:26 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08554 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:11:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa13039; 18 Mar 98 15:17 PST Message-ID: <19980318150923.44326@sco.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:09:23 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: CD coming your way References: <199803170003.LAA03177@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803170003.LAA03177@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 11:03:01AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1325 Lines: 44 I havent heard anything from our people who live in the PO box in SF. I am almost afraid to ask. ;-) I am closer to getting SCO's version of the license availability announcement out the door. It's being reviewed. Sheesh, you'd think I work for a $billion company with all the bureaucracy. Thanks for the cute Kangaroo picture. I also got a pretty postcard of a DEC PDP-8 from Max Bennet (I am not sure I'm reading his writing correctly) at NOP. You know who they are, I suppose? Also got a nice letter from a grad student at U Wisc who wanted the license but could not afford it. I think we will work up a process to waive the fee for needy applicants. -Dion On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 11:03:01AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> >Subject: CD coming your way >To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> >Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:03:01 +1100 (EST) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] >Dion, > I dropped a CD of the current PUPS Archive of ancient Unix in the >mail on Saturday. Hopefully it should be with you in a week or two. > >Please have a look at it and make any comments. It was written at 4x speed, >and I can't read it on very old drives, but the new CD drives should cope. > >How are licensing coping with the incoming deluge?! > >Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/18 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03695 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:23:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08792 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:25:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa13692; 18 Mar 98 15:30 PST Message-ID: <19980318152303.51086@sco.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:23:03 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: CD coming your way References: <19980318150923.44326@sco.com> <199803182318.KAA03662@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803182318.KAA03662@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 10:18:20AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1484 Lines: 44 On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 10:18:20AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> >Subject: Re: CD coming your way >To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> >Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:18:20 +1100 (EST) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] >In article by Dion Johnson: >> I havent heard anything from our people who live in >> the PO box in SF. I am almost afraid to ask. ;-) > >Hmm, I understand the feeling. I had that when >I started pestering you at the beginning ;-) > >> I am closer to getting SCO's version of the license >> availability announcement out the door. It's >> being reviewed. Sheesh, you'd think I work for >> a $billion company with all the bureaucracy. > >Yes, a few people were asking when www.sco.com/offers >was going to reflect the license release. > >> Thanks for the cute Kangaroo picture. I also got a >> pretty postcard of a DEC PDP-8 from Max Bennet (I am >> not sure I'm reading his writing correctly) at NOP. >> You know who they are, I suppose? > >There's a DEC special interest group called SIG NOP. The OP stands >for Old Platforms. I can't remember what the N stands for, if anything. This says: Nostalgic Obsolete Products The postcard is from a DEC Museum in Australia Interesting... I am putting these cards and letters up on the wall in the hallway, and will report to some of the VPs about this. Maybe get PR involved and do a press release about how fucking nice we are. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/18 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03811 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:50:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09263 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:52:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa14948; 18 Mar 98 15:57 PST Message-ID: <19980318154934.53647@sco.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:49:34 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: CD coming your way References: <19980318152303.51086@sco.com> <199803182328.KAA03710@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803182328.KAA03710@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 10:28:21AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1083 Lines: 30 On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 10:28:21AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >> I am putting these cards and letters up on the wall >> in the hallway, and will report to some of the VPs >> about this. Maybe get PR involved and do a press >> release about how fucking nice we are. > >Whups, ah that's what it stood for. They have monthly meetings here in >Australia, and they have working bees which restore old DEC boxes. > >?! haven't heard you swear before. Bad day at work? you don't like PR >people? I've written a short article for the Australian Unix Users Group >here, which I've attached. PR without the PR, perhaps. No, I meant it in a kidding way. Sorry, a California-ism. Actually, I like the PR people. I just think that what they do is pretty ridiculous. This is a very interesting and amusing article. I am most flattered by your kind words. (I also might get a few brownie points with the big bosses, which is extra nice.) After it's published by your User group, how about publishing it in SCO World, or some similar place? Would you be up for that? -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/18 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03851 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:20:58 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09754 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:22:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa16379; 18 Mar 98 16:27 PST Message-ID: <19980318161915.51127@sco.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:19:15 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: CD coming your way References: <19980318154934.53647@sco.com> <199803190009.LAA03836@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803190009.LAA03836@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:09:59AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2611 Lines: 69 On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:09:59AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> >Subject: Re: CD coming your way >To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> >Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:09:59 +1100 (EST) >In article by Dion Johnson: >> No, I meant it in a kidding way. Sorry, a California-ism. > >Fair enough. Email flattens out all the nuances of normal conversation; >I guess that's why smileys were invented. Yes, exactly. >> Actually, I like the PR people. I just think that what they >> do is pretty ridiculous. > >Yeah, me too. > >> This is a very interesting and amusing article. I am most >> flattered by your kind words. (I also might get a few brownie >> points with the big bosses, which is extra nice.) >> After it's published by your User group, how about publishing >> it in SCO World, or some similar place? Would you be up >> for that? > >I'm sure I can get them to approve that. Actually, I've submitted it >but they haven't said yes or no yet. So it's still unpublished, and you >can have it for SCO World, as long as they approve its publication >elsewhere. Peter Salus at Usenix was also going to take it, or he was >going to write something himself (he was involved in the liberation of >the Lions' book). I think it would be very nice in SCO World (circ. 50K). They are an independent publication, but always looking for interesting material. >I haven't heard back from anyone in regards to PR-type images/icons >for the license artwork. I forget. What did you want this for? The company is a little bit nervous about letting people use our logo, but it's done without permission all the time and we dont do anything about it. >Overall, what's the attitude within SCO re the new license and the >stuff you did over the past 2 years to get it approved? I hope it >hasn't made you persona non grata. Of course the technical people are pleased, although few of them know about it as yet, since it's not announced. Doug is mildly pleased, I guess. I think Ray Anderson, my VP of Marketing feels I've been wasting too much time on this thing which is not obviously making money, but I think he'll come around when he sees some good PR flowing. The legal people are a little grumpy at me, but they also know my heart is pure and they sorta respect that. I am known as a bit of a maverick, and customer advocate, so it's expected. Every company needs a few people like me. Overall, I am very proud of doing this and grateful for your help and the help of the other PUPS and other participants in the Unix heritage. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/19 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05319 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:33:06 +1100 (EST) Received: from mail12.digital.com (mail12.digital.com [192.208.46.20]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27051 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:34:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from cst.ako.dec.com (cst.ako.dec.com [16.151.72.40]) by mail12.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0c) with ESMTP id RAA24704 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by cst.ako.dec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <GFTKWMDH>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: <6B84B1FF221BD011B0AC08002BE69206683DF7@excmso.mso.dec.com> From: Bob Supnik <Bob.Supnik@digital.com> To: "'wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au'" <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>, dionj@sco.com Subject: RE: the PDP binary license Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:32:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 841 Lines: 33 I dealt with Scott McGregor, the now departed CTO of the company. /Bob -----Original Message----- From: Warren Toomey [SMTP:wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 5:03 PM To: dionj@sco.com Cc: bob.supnik@ljo.dec.com; jeannea@sco.com Subject: Re: the PDP binary license In article by Dion Johnson: > One of our legal people asked me about the > binary licenses for 5-7th edition that you > mention on your web page. > > I dont know this entire story. What's > the origin of this license? It's clearly > an SCO license, but who, here, provided it > to you guys? Who did Bob deal with? > -Dion Hi Dion, I don't know whi Bob Supnik was dealing with inside SCO to get the PDP-11 binary licenses approved. I'm cc'ing this to Bob, who should be able to give you the full story. Cheers, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/19 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04939 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:02:27 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa18637; 19 Mar 98 13:09 PST Message-ID: <19980319130057.52458@sco.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:00:57 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Cc: jeannea@sco.COM Subject: the PDP binary license Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 287 Lines: 13 One of our legal people asked me about the binary licenses for 5-7th edition that you mention on your web page. I dont know this entire story. What's the origin of this license? It's clearly an SCO license, but who, here, provided it to you guys? Who did Bob deal with? -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/19 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05377 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:58:51 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27580 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:00:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa26706; 19 Mar 98 15:05 PST Message-ID: <19980319145743.24614@sco.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:57:43 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: the PDP binary license References: <19980319130057.52458@sco.com> <199803192202.JAA05191@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803192202.JAA05191@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 09:02:30AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 908 Lines: 31 Thanks Warren! This will help to speed our license announcement. On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 09:02:30AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> >Subject: Re: the PDP binary license >To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> >Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:02:30 +1100 (EST) >Cc: bob.supnik@ljo.dec.com, jeannea@sco.com >In article by Dion Johnson: >> One of our legal people asked me about the >> binary licenses for 5-7th edition that you >> mention on your web page. >> >> I dont know this entire story. What's >> the origin of this license? It's clearly >> an SCO license, but who, here, provided it >> to you guys? Who did Bob deal with? >> -Dion > >Hi Dion, I don't know whi Bob Supnik was dealing with inside SCO >to get the PDP-11 binary licenses approved. I'm cc'ing this to Bob, >who should be able to give you the full story. > >Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/20 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07170 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:12:22 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA15771 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:13:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa12179; 20 Mar 98 14:17 PST Message-ID: <19980320140932.37135@sco.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:09:32 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: DRAFT of ancient UNIX license. References: <19980225144345.61400@sco.com> <199802252256.JAA25689@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199802252256.JAA25689@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:56:49AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1344 Lines: 43 On Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:56:49AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >Yes please. And you should send any license identification information, >such as license numbers etc. According to the license, I have to keep >copis of this. > >You can pick up my PGP public key from > > http://www.auug.org.au/cgi-bin/pgpkey.pl > >which is a key-signing service. > The service says I need to specify a "normal PGP search string". Since I have not used PGP before, I dont know what this is. Can you tell me briefly? We have about a dozen licenses here, all paid up and signed off. Some of the legal folks are still asking questions and raising objections, but I think the horse has already left the barn. ;-) Btw, another interesting question: How does PUPS, yourself, and various others in the ancient priesthood handle the word "Unix" ? That is, I know the original usage was "Unix". Later, much later, it was trademarked by TOG as UNIX(R). Some people here are trying to tell me that occurrences of "Unix" should be replaced by the trademarked version but I'm not sure that's true. The older version of the word relates to the Unix technology as it existed prior to the trademarked word, so I would try to argue that "Unix" is perfectly correct usage and does not refer to that thing which is called UNIX(R). What's your take on this?
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/23 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08431; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:26:45 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199803222326.KAA08431@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: DRAFT of ancient UNIX license. To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion Johnson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:26:45 +1100 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <19980320140932.37135@sco.com> from Dion Johnson at "Mar 20, 98 02:09:32 pm" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 5274 Lines: 161 In article by Dion Johnson: > Since I have not used PGP before, I dont know what this is. > Can you tell me briefly? PGP is a public key system which provides both document encryption and authentication. Each person has a private key & a public key. The public key is distributed. To encrypt a document, you use the receiver's public key. Only the real receiver can decrypt the document, using their private key. To sign a document, you encrypt with your private key. Anybody with your public key can decrypt the document, and this proves that you were the signer. Encryption and authentication can be combined. I assume you have PGP version 2.6.3 installed on your system at SCO. To create your public/private key, do: $ pgp -kg 1024 which makes keys of 1024 bits. You can save your public key in fred.asc by $ pgp -kxa xxx fred where xxx is your login name. Put this file on your web page somewhere. To add someone else's key (in file jim.asc) to your list of keys: $ pgp -ka jim.asc It is best if you have your email built to use PGP transparently. Otherwise, here's what to do: Encrypt a document to remote user xxx: $ pgp -o newfile -ea file xxx Sign a document: $ pgp -o newfile -sa file Sign and encrypt: $ pgp -o newfile -sea file xxx Then attach newfile to the e-mail to user xxx. Decrypting incoming file: $ pgp -d infile Verifying signing of incoming file: $ pgp -d infile > We have about a dozen licenses here, all paid up and signed > off. Some of the legal folks are still asking questions and raising > objections, but I think the horse has already left the barn. ;-) Excellent. I guess the country issue would stick in their throats a bit. > Btw, another interesting question: > How does PUPS, yourself, and various others in the ancient > priesthood handle the word "Unix" ? > > That is, I know the original usage was "Unix". > Later, much later, it was trademarked by TOG as UNIX(R). > Some people here are trying to tell me that occurrences > of "Unix" should be replaced by the trademarked version > but I'm not sure that's true. The older version of > the word relates to the Unix technology as it existed > prior to the trademarked word, so I would try to argue > that "Unix" is perfectly correct usage and does not > refer to that thing which is called UNIX(R). > > What's your take on this? Here's my answer below, Dion. Hope this helps!! Warren Here are my reasons why I use the term Unix and not UNIX. You may find the wording of the following somewhat belligerent: I'm just calling it as I see it. Therefore, you may wish to tone down the wording for internal consumption. 1) UNIX looks ugly. I much prefer Unix to UNIX in terms of appearance. This probably explains why UnixWare isn't UNIXWare. 2) Wide existing use of Unix. The term Unix is widely used, both in print, in the Usenet newsgroups, and in other places (such as freely-available software). If the lawyers are going to urge us to use the term UNIX, then we say `Why didn't you urge everybody else to do the same?' In particular, the 25 Years of Unix book by Peter Salus and John Lions' Commentary on V6 talk about the same versions of Unix that we do. 3) We are not violating trademark laws. UNIX is a trademark, and so there are set rules on its use. Unix is not a trademark, and so we are not violating any laws. 4) No license requirements to prevent use of Unix. So far as I can tell, no Western Electric, AT&T or SCO license has any clauses about the term Unix, and not to use it. I could be wrong here, though. 5) The trademark only came into existence around 1977. No 6th Edition files contain the words `UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratories'. Therefore, there was no trademark specific term for the software up to this point. 6) Adjective stupidity. UNIX still is an adjective, I believe. This results in expression stupidity. For example, I can say ``6th Edition Unix was released in May 1975.'' However, I have to say ``The 6th Edition of the UNIX operating system was released in May 1975.'' Mind you, this affects SCO's web pages: many of your pages violate this adjectival usage: UnixWare 7 extends the powerful remote management capabilities available in UNIX by providing greater automation and control over local and networked servers and simplifies system administration [unixware/new_features/factsheet.html] What Do I Mean by Unix? ----------------------- In the most general context, Unix is an operating system that has roughly the same system calls, user programs, concepts and ethos of 7th Edition UNIX. Anything which meets POSIX 1003.1 and 1003.2 is a Unix system. This includes Minix, Linux, FreeBSD, UnixWare and Xenix. In another context, the research editions of UNIX, and anything derived from them which is copyright the owner of 7th Edition UNIX (i.e SCO) is also Unix. Where there is confusion, I use the term `real Unix'. Where there is no confusion (e.g on the PUPS Web pages), I just say Unix. Depending on opinion, either 6th Edition or 7th Edition UNIX are the `one true Unix'. I'd say 7th Edition myself. Therefore, what the laywers mean by UNIX is roughly what I mean by `real Unix'. But I don't treat Unix as an adjective.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/26 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04214 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:03:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA16542 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:03:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa19691; 26 Mar 98 11:10 PST Message-ID: <19980326110111.30246@sco.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:01:11 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: public key block Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1230 Lines: 38 Ho ho! My problem was that I did not know what "normal PGP search string" meant. I conjectured, from your answer, that I might try "wkt" and sure enough that value caused the server to send me a public key block which I will take to be yours. ;-) On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 07:51:45AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> >Subject: Re: DRAFT of ancient UNIX license. >To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> >Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:51:45 +1100 (EST) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] >In article by Dion Johnson: >> On Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:56:49AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >> >Yes please. And you should send any license identification information, >> >such as license numbers etc. According to the license, I have to keep >> >copis of this. >> > >> >You can pick up my PGP public key from >> > >> > http://www.auug.org.au/cgi-bin/pgpkey.pl >> > >> >which is a key-signing service. > >Whups, search for Warren or wkt, and you will get my public key back. > >Just eating my breakfast at the moment, so I'll reply to the other bits >when I get to work... > >Had a BBQ last night with a dozen friends, so a bit of Mondayitis now 8-) > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/31 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10369 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:03:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12055 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:03:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa17052; 31 Mar 98 16:10 PST Message-ID: <19980331160120.29891@sco.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:01:20 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: public key block References: <19980326110111.30246@sco.com> <199803262049.HAA04384@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199803262049.HAA04384@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 07:49:13AM +1100 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1317 Lines: 38 Well, we have 12 licenses accumulated here and I havent got any "system" set up to deal with these. I will probably just send you a list of the peoples' names and addresses by postal mail. Hope that's not too primitive. On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 07:49:13AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: public key block > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:49:13 +1100 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > In article by Dion Johnson: > > Ho ho! My problem was that I did not know what > > "normal PGP search string" meant. I conjectured, > > from your answer, that I might try "wkt" and sure > > enough that value caused the server to send > > me a public key block which I will take to > > be yours. ;-) > > Yep, and it also ensures that a representative of AUUG actually met me > personally to verify who I was and that I did own the key. > > Things are hotting up here, the mail on the PUPS list is flooding in. > I'm waiting for the first `Got my license!' email to arrive. > > Peter Salus has got an article about the licenses in the June Usenix ;login > magazine. I'll include it below. My article may be taken by AUUG, UKUUG and > ;login, too. > > Thanks again, > > Warren > [ ... ]
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/31 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10418 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:11:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12191 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:10:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa17399; 31 Mar 98 16:18 PST Message-ID: <19980331160900.27769@sco.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:09:00 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: public key block References: <19980331160120.29891@sco.com> <199804010006.KAA10386@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804010006.KAA10386@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:06:39AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1035 Lines: 34 On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:06:39AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: public key block > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:06:39 +1000 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > In article by Dion Johnson: > > Well, we have 12 licenses accumulated here and I havent got any > > "system" set up to deal with these. I will probably just send > > you a list of the peoples' names and addresses by postal mail. > > Hope that's not too primitive. > > Hi Dion, that would be fine with me. You can't send them to me with > PGP? We were wondering how things were going, as nobody has got their > licenses yet. They are handwritten. I am too lazy to type them all in. Also, I dont have a copy of PGP on my machine here yet. > > Alternatively, fax? +61 2 6268 8581 Attention: Warren Toomey I will just drop them into a DHL or similar express shipment thing. Hopefully in a day or two. Thanks! > > Thanks again, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/31 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10459 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:25:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12445 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:24:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa18035; 31 Mar 98 16:32 PST Message-ID: <19980331162326.11207@sco.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:23:26 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: public key block References: <19980331160900.27769@sco.com> <199804010015.KAA10446@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804010015.KAA10446@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:15:15AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 916 Lines: 34 The "the licensing guys" turns out to be ME. ;-) Legal and the other bureaucrats want no part of this. So I get to run the program as I see fit. After all that discussion. Why did I ever even bother to ask them about this? ;-) Corporate paper-pushers.... I am one, too. Of course an email address is useful, but not unless you also have the guy's address typed in, etc. We shoulda implemented a web-based license form. I didnt think I could get away with that. Oh well. On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:15:15AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: public key block > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:15:15 +1000 (EST) > Oh, any chance of getting the licensing guys to mail us and allow us to > consult our order on the > > http://wdb1.sco.com/clbk_web/owa/freeunix_order_status > > web page? > > Ciao, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/31 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10481 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:33:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12600 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:32:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa18483; 31 Mar 98 16:41 PST Message-ID: <19980331163152.06209@sco.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:31:52 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: public key block References: <19980331162326.11207@sco.com> <199804010031.KAA10474@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804010031.KAA10474@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:31:57AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1563 Lines: 45 I suspect the number of these will be small enough to do it by hand. You, of course, and the PUPS club can implement any kind of nifty system you want. On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:31:57AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: public key block > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:31:57 +1000 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > In article by Dion Johnson: > > The "the licensing guys" turns out to be ME. ;-) > > Legal and the other bureaucrats want no part of this. > > So I get to run the program as I see fit. After all > > that discussion. Why did I ever even bother to ask > > them about this? ;-) Corporate paper-pushers.... > > I am one, too. > > > > Of course an email address is useful, but not unless > > you also have the guy's address typed in, etc. > > > > We shoulda implemented a web-based license form. > > I didnt think I could get away with that. > > Oh well. > > Yeah, sounds dumb, huh. So the forms are going to SF and then back to you. > A web page isn't going to work by itself, cos you'll want ink signatures > on the license to prove that they have agreed to it. > > Any ideas? > > I could put a CGI script in front of the license. Propective user must > fill in particulars before they get the license. Particulars get mailed to > prospective user, you and I. > > They still have to mail license, ink signature and billing details to you. > > I can't think of anything else yet. > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/03/31 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10549 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:46:37 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12869 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa19090; 31 Mar 98 16:53 PST Message-ID: <19980331164321.11623@sco.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:43:21 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: public key block References: <19980331163152.06209@sco.com> <199804010038.KAA10494@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804010038.KAA10494@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:38:25AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1187 Lines: 42 That's really nice of you Warren, but let's hold off just yet. So far, I do still need one of the legal eagles to actually sign the license. On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:38:25AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: public key block > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:38:25 +1000 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > In article by Dion Johnson: > > I suspect the number of these will be small enough > > to do it by hand. You, of course, and the PUPS club > > can implement any kind of nifty system you want. > > Ok, try this. Would you be happy to get a short email indicating intent to > purchase a license? > > I can set up a CGI script that says: > > Download the license here. > > If you intend to purchase this license, please > fill out the following details: > > Full Name > E-mail address > > This will allow SCO to contact you once your license > has been processed. > > I'll try to set it up so that you can reply directly to the mail you > get, to let the guy know they have a license. > > What do you think? > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13003 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:33:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20755 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:32:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa23860; 2 Apr 98 16:39 PST Message-ID: <19980402162959.29710@sco.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:29:59 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au, Bob Supnik <Bob.Supnik@digital.com> Subject: Re: Ultrix for PDP-11s References: <6B84B1FF221BD011B0AC08002BE69206683E61@excmso.mso.dec.com> <199804030013.KAA12943@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804030013.KAA12943@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Fri, Apr 03, 1998 at 10:13:01AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2752 Lines: 75 Greetings, fellow crusaders, The existing special source license also covers binaries. Look at sections 2.1(a) and 2.1(e). If at all possible, it will be best if we can find an interpretation of the existing license that permits what Bob needs. I think we have it... this is a license to derived binaries from the sources and should cover all of SCO's IP that is precursor to DEC's Ultrix added value. Does this do the job you need? -Dion Warren: I will be shipping you the first dozen licensee names/addrs tomorrow. You should have 'em next week. -Dion On Fri, Apr 03, 1998 at 10:13:01AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: Ultrix for PDP-11s > To: Bob Supnik <Bob.Supnik@digital.com> > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:13:01 +1000 (EST) > Cc: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > Dion, Bob, > I'm emailing you both because I think I need you both here :-) > > Previously, I asked Bob Supnik about the status of PDP-11 Ultrix. From > Bob's reponse (below), I'm assuming that Ultrix comes without any source. > > In article by Bob Supnik: > > If you can clear the other license issues (SCO's) Digital would have no > > problem giving a free license to its value add, whatever that was. > > > > That is, if the user can obtain a valid license from SCO, either binary > > or source, Digital will agree to license its portion at no cost under > > existing terms. > > /Bob > > I replied to Bob asking if the PUPS group could distribute Ultrix to > source licensees ONLY. Then I re-read his email.... > > Bob is saying that, if SCO licenses its copyrighted portions of PDP-11 > Ultrix _binaries_, DEC will also do so, and allow them to be obtained at no > cost. > > In order for this to happen, we need a new SCO binary license. Dion, the > existing 5th, 6th & 7th Edition binary license is the sort of thing that > we require, but it needs to be extended to include either Ultrix binaries, > or ALL PDP-11 UNIX binaries (except System V binaries, huh). > > Dion, Bob, you've both participated in PDP-11 UNIX licensing recently; > is this going to be an effort? > > An alternative, which is nearly no effort, is for DEC to allow owners of > PDP-11 UNIX source licenses to obtain PDP-11 Ultrix at no cost. This means > a $100 fee to get the source license. I think that this would be acceptable. > > So, the choices are: > > a) SCO to modify existing binary license to include Ultrix (others?) > b) DEC to permit no cost Ultrix-11 licenses to SCO license holders. > > I suspect you're going to opt for b), but I don't think there's going to > be much drama there. > > Thanks again!!! > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/03 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA27392 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 03:14:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA02711 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 03:13:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa09983; 3 Apr 98 9:21 PST Message-ID: <19980403091140.42545@sco.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:11:40 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Ultrix for PDP-11s References: <19980402162959.29710@sco.com> <199804030107.LAA13113@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804030107.LAA13113@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Fri, Apr 03, 1998 at 11:07:51AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1230 Lines: 42 On Fri, Apr 03, 1998 at 11:07:51AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: Ultrix for PDP-11s > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:07:51 +1000 (EST) > Hey Dion, I was going to mention SCO Xenix for the PDP-11 > a while ago, but I thought you already had enough worries. My, my. I didnt know there was a XENIX for the PDP-11. > It's covered as a sucessor system, but: > > + parts are owned by Microsoft? Maybe. MS was the exclusive owner of XENIX back in those days, I think. We still pay MS a royalty for some of the XENIX code that is in OpenServer. > + we don't have copies of any version. > > Is there anybody at SCO who might have saved this old stuff? I will ask around. Last time I looked for a copy of XENIX for the Apple Lisa, I found one. > Are we going to be sued by MS if we distribute it? Probably you would not, but SCO will surely be very, very cautious about this. We are continually in discussions with MS about royalty matters and we would not want to give them any ammunitiion. I suspect the legal eagles dont know about XENIX for the PDP-11. We should be discreet. -Dion > > Thanks, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/03 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA27407 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:10:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA02921 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:08:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa16521; 3 Apr 98 10:04 PST Message-ID: <19980403095446.48700@sco.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:54:46 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: licenses mail today References: <19980402162959.29710@sco.com> <199804030036.KAA13016@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804030036.KAA13016@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Fri, Apr 03, 1998 at 10:36:30AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 306 Lines: 14 I think I can get the licenses mailed today to the licensees. > > Warren: I will be shipping you the first dozen licensee > > names/addrs tomorrow. You should have 'em next week. > > -Dion > > Thanks Dion, have you also shipped the licenses? > The natives are getting restless! > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/07 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01954 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:02:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA05060 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:00:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa08708; 7 Apr 98 11:00 PDT Message-ID: <19980407105028.33236@sco.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:50:28 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: AU-1, AU-10 References: <199804070007.KAA00511@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804070007.KAA00511@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Apr 07, 1998 at 10:07:47AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 730 Lines: 26 On Tue, Apr 07, 1998 at 10:07:47AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: AU-1, AU-10 > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:07:47 +1000 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > Dion, > AU-1 (Peter Jenner) and AU-10 (Charles Retter) have arrived. Can you > confirm? I'm assuming the AU stands for Ancient Unix, and not Australia. > > Thanks again! > > Warren I sent all 13 licenses in a DHL package. I dont understand how you could have only these two. Look again and let me know. I sent only the address-page of a copy of the license. Yes, AU = ancient Unix. We can indeed make AU-0 be yours. I am the number-assigner.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/07 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA01963 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:09:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa09263; 7 Apr 98 11:10 PDT Message-ID: <19980407110020.45019@sco.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:00:20 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: pete@dunnington.u-net.com Cc: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: AU-0 licence References: <9804070219.ZM1535@indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <9804070219.ZM1535@indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk>; from Pete Turnbull on Tue, Apr 07, 1998 at 01:19:05AM +0000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 982 Lines: 35 A very good idea! thanks. Warren: can you pls fill out a license and send it to me? thx. Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Czar of Free Stuff and Technical customers' advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 On Tue, Apr 07, 1998 at 01:19:05AM +0000, Pete Turnbull wrote: > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:19:05 GMT > From: Pete Turnbull <pete@dunnington.u-net.com> > To: dionj@sco.com > Subject: AU-0 licence > Hi, Dion. > > I hope you don't mind me mailing you directly. I don't know how closely you > follow the PUPS mailing list. It's been suggested that Warren get the 0th > licence (AU-0) in recognition of his efforts. I'd like to vote for that, if > it's possible, and assuming you haven't claimed it yourself! > > Thanks for all your efforts, > > Pete > > -- > > Pete Peter Turnbull > Dept. of Computer Science > University of York
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/07 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02363 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:31:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA06985 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:29:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa22698; 7 Apr 98 15:36 PDT Message-ID: <19980407152602.02045@sco.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:26:02 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: AU-0 licence References: <19980407110020.45019@sco.com> <199804072211.IAA02220@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804072211.IAA02220@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Apr 08, 1998 at 08:11:44AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 766 Lines: 24 I just received 12 more licenses signed by the NJ legal folks. But yours was not in this batch. I will get these copied and off to you tomorrow (I think). On Wed, Apr 08, 1998 at 08:11:44AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: AU-0 licence > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:11:44 +1000 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > In article by Dion Johnson: > > Warren: can you pls fill out a license and send it to me? > > Yup, I have. SCO took their $100 on the 24th March, according to my > Visacard statement. Perhaps you should have a word with SF, from the > email, I suspect a lot of people's applications haven't got to you yet. > > Ta, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/07 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02453 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:58:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa26608; 7 Apr 98 16:58 PDT Message-ID: <19980407164824.16093@sco.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:48:24 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: djenner@halcyon.com Cc: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: AU-0 for Warren References: <199804072233.IAA02379@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> <352AB466.302B0F13@halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <352AB466.302B0F13@halcyon.com>; from David C. Jenner on Tue, Apr 07, 1998 at 04:19:02PM -0700 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1097 Lines: 36 On Tue, Apr 07, 1998 at 04:19:02PM -0700, David C. Jenner wrote: > Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:19:02 -0700 > From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner@halcyon.com> > To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au, Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Subject: Re: More licenses in the works Yes, I will for sure. If I'd had my wits about me, I'd have started the numbers with #2 and kept #1 for him. ;-) As for the Millenium, didnt they start counting at zero? ;-) > Dion, > > Make sure you assign Warren license number "AU-0". He's mad at me for > getting AU-1, and we decided on the PUPS mailing list that he should be > honored with AU-0. (He probably believes that 2000 is the first year of > the next millenium, too!) > > Thanks, > Dave > > Warren Toomey wrote: > > > > In article by Dion Johnson: > > > I just received 12 more licenses signed by the NJ legal folks. > > > But yours was not in this batch. > > > I will get these copied and off to you tomorrow (I think). > > > > Thanks Dion, I know you're working hard there. It looks like legal are > > the bottleneck. > > > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/07 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02433 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:21:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from mgate.nwnexus.com (beavis.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.200]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07667 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:19:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from halcyon.com (blv-lx103-ip17.nwnexus.net [206.63.41.67]) by mgate.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18608; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:19:35 -0700 Message-ID: <352AB466.302B0F13@halcyon.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:19:02 -0700 From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner@halcyon.com> Reply-To: djenner@halcyon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au, Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> Subject: Re: More licenses in the works References: <199804072233.IAA02379@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 25 Dion, Make sure you assign Warren license number "AU-0". He's mad at me for getting AU-1, and we decided on the PUPS mailing list that he should be honored with AU-0. (He probably believes that 2000 is the first year of the next millenium, too!) Thanks, Dave Warren Toomey wrote: > > In article by Dion Johnson: > > I just received 12 more licenses signed by the NJ legal folks. > > But yours was not in this batch. > > I will get these copied and off to you tomorrow (I think). > > Thanks Dion, I know you're working hard there. It looks like legal are > the bottleneck. > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/08 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03671 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:21:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24620 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:19:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa06421; 8 Apr 98 7:29 PDT Message-ID: <19980408071850.15259@sco.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:18:50 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: AU-0 for Warren References: <19980407164824.16093@sco.com> <199804080010.KAA02484@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804080010.KAA02484@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Apr 08, 1998 at 10:10:44AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 728 Lines: 26 No problem, all in good fun! On Wed, Apr 08, 1998 at 10:10:44AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: AU-0 for Warren > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:44 +1000 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > In article by Dion Johnson: > > Yes, I will for sure. If I'd had my wits about me, I'd have > > started the numbers with #2 and kept #1 for him. ;-) > > As for the Millenium, didnt they start counting at zero? ;-) > > > > Dion > > Dion, sorry for all this unwanted email traffic. And no, I wasn't `mad' > at David for AU-1, I called him a swine and then congratulated him :-) > > Dearie me. > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/08 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04252 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:41:37 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA28351 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:39:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa01802; 8 Apr 98 14:49 PDT Message-ID: <19980408143838.36148@sco.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:38:38 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Details of License Transaction References: <199804082123.HAA04042@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804082123.HAA04042@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Apr 09, 1998 at 07:23:56AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 774 Lines: 26 I have 13 more licenses for you, being copied now. I will mail these off tomorrow or Friday. Will someone be able to sign for the package if they arrive next week? On Thu, Apr 09, 1998 at 07:23:56AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Details of License Transaction > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:23:56 +1000 (EST) > Hi Dion, > I'm just about to go off for Easter, some friends are getting married. > I'm including a scan of my Visacard report just so you can see that someone > at SCO has done the financial processing. I think legal are being slow again. > You'll probably get a deluge of 50 licenses from them next week :-) > > Have a good break! > > Warren > >
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/08 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04303 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:52:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA28489 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:49:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa02466; 8 Apr 98 14:59 PDT Message-ID: <19980408144857.37635@sco.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:48:57 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Details of License Transaction References: <19980408143838.36148@sco.com> <199804082142.HAA04272@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804082142.HAA04272@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Apr 09, 1998 at 07:42:58AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 316 Lines: 15 We who sweat in the corporate salt mines do not get any Spring break! And the company does _not_ give us chocolate Easter eggs, either. I hope you enjoy a nice time while you are away! On Thu, Apr 09, 1998 at 07:42:58AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > > Don't eat too much chocolate, now... > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/10 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA05275 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:23:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa08939; 10 Apr 98 12:20 PDT Message-ID: <19980410121915.00980@sco.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:19:15 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: more licenses coming Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 231 Lines: 12 OK, I am sending off licenses 13-26 to you today. Still havent seen your license come through, though. I hope it wasnt lost... I hope your friends had a nice wedding. Happy Easter (Vernal Equinox, if you are secular). -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/15 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA12153 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:29:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA15831 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:24:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa01055; 15 Apr 98 11:25 PDT Message-ID: <19980415112402.29888@sco.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:24:02 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Got batch #2 of licenses References: <199804141024.UAA09947@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804141024.UAA09947@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 08:24:59PM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 849 Lines: 25 I understand they have your license and it is awaiting the signature of Mr. Broderick. Let's hope he does not recognize your name and subject your license to special scrutiny. ;-) On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 08:24:59PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Got batch #2 of licenses > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:24:59 +1000 (EST) > Hi Dion, > I've just got the next batch of licenses, up to AU-26. They are all > dated 6th April by Bill Broderick. Could you have a chat with him and find > out where the paperwork for my license has got to? SCO has taken the $100 fee > from my account, but nobody has sighted the license on paper. I can always > send in the paperwork again. Would you accept a fax of the paperwork? > > Many thanks! > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/15 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12568 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:48:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18823 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:44:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa16838; 15 Apr 98 16:46 PDT Message-ID: <19980415164454.38667@sco.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:44:54 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Got batch #2 of licenses References: <19980415112402.29888@sco.com> <199804152250.IAA12465@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804152250.IAA12465@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 08:50:43AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 450 Lines: 16 Dont worry; he cant get far with a campaign of denial. On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 08:50:43AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Dion Johnson: > > I understand they have your license and it is awaiting > > the signature of Mr. Broderick. Let's hope he does not > > recognize your name and subject your license to special > > scrutiny. ;-) > > I reckon he already has! Thanks Dion, at least I know its in the works. > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/16 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14362 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:49:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA04734 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:44:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa29053; 16 Apr 98 7:46 PDT Message-ID: <19980416074447.59336@sco.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:44:47 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Got batch #2 of licenses References: <19980415164454.38667@sco.com> <199804160005.KAA12606@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804160005.KAA12606@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 10:05:35AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 771 Lines: 34 Our dept admin.asst. does 'em. What typos? This is what I have for the address: Warren Toomey School of Computer Science, ADFA. Northcott drive, Canberra. ACT. 2600 AUSTRALIA Work Phone (GMT +10): +61 2 6268 8050 On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 10:05:35AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: Got batch #2 of licenses > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:05:35 +1000 (EST) > In article by Dion Johnson: > > Dont worry; he cant get far with a campaign of denial. > > 8-). Can a throw in an apropos? Do you do your DHL labels, or does someone > else? The last two have had quite a few typos on them, but fortunately > still arrived. > > Thanks! > > Warren > >
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/29 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04669 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:14:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA20179 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:10:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa07094; 29 Apr 98 7:58 PDT Message-ID: <19980429075637.18549@sco.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:56:37 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Hi again References: <199804290122.LAA03686@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199804290122.LAA03686@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:22:52AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 825 Lines: 25 Yeh, I notice they have not sent me any lately. I am bugging them... On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:22:52AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Hi again > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:22:52 +1000 (EST) > Hi again Dion! I hate to bother you, but could you check up with Bill Broderick > and see how many Ancient UNIX licenses are in the works? I've been receiving a > few murmurings from people here who've been waiting for several weeks. I'm > one of them: it's been over a month since SCO got their license fee. > > On another note, we may have found some UNIX artwork done back in 1976, and > we might even be able to get permission to use it for CD covers etc. I'll > keep you posted. > > Cheers & thanks, > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/04/29 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04706 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:18:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa12259; 29 Apr 98 10:15 PDT Message-ID: <19980429101330.45584@sco.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:13:30 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: $100 source license for Ancient Unix References: <19980428101841.17210@sco.com> <3.0.1.32.19980429094317.009a4950@cwinet.colorworldmt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980429094317.009a4950@cwinet.colorworldmt.com>; from Mike Burgard on Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 09:43:17AM -0600 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 839 Lines: 30 FYI... On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 09:43:17AM -0600, Mike Burgard wrote: > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:43:17 -0600 > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > From: Mike Burgard <mikeb@colorworldmt.com> > Subject: Re: $100 source license for Ancient Unix > At 10:18 AM 4/28/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Mike, > >Warren Toomey wrote this little blurb about the $100 Ancient > >Unix Source License that we have made available. He said it would > >be OK to publish in SCO World as long as you dont mind if it's > >also published elsewhere (specifically in the Australian Unix > >User Group publication). > > > >Looks interesting? > Thanks for info. We will put it in the queue and see if we can make it into > the magazine. > > Michael J. Burgard > General Manager > Color World Printers > > Editor-in-Chief > SCO WORLD Magazine
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/05/06 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00204 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:16:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09071 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:41:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa19687; 6 May 98 15:35 PDT Message-ID: <19980506153307.25417@sco.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:33:07 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: license is here! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 176 Lines: 8 Your license just arrived. It gets the **** AU-0 ***** license number. I will send you this batch of licenses in a day or two as soon as Mona gets the copies made. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/05/11 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03685 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:49:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA22182 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:49:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa15834; 11 May 98 10:44 PDT Message-ID: <19980511104119.30088@sco.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:41:19 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: license is here! References: <19980506153307.25417@sco.com> <199805100759.RAA02045@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199805100759.RAA02045@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 05:59:03PM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1324 Lines: 50 Tasmania! Wow that sounds exotic. I'm going to go look at my atlas and see where it is. I looked it up once years ago but forgot. Did you see a Tasmanian devil? On another topic: My mail services people are now telling me they need to know your "postal code", which would be whatever is equivalent to what we call a ZIP code. Maybe you dont have such things there. Or maybe the string "ACT. 2600" is your postal code? This is how I have your address: Warren K. Toomey School of Computer Science, ADFA. Northcott drive, Canberra. ACT. 2600 AUSTRALIA Work Phone (GMT +10): +61 2 6268 8050 Sorry for this stupid question, but if you can help me understand your address, I will incur the good graces of our international mail dept. Thanks! -Dion On Sun, May 10, 1998 at 05:59:03PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: license is here! > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:59:03 +1000 (EST) > In article by Dion Johnson: > > Your license just arrived. It gets the **** AU-0 ***** license > > number. I will send you this batch of licenses in a day or two > > as soon as Mona gets the copies made. > > -Dion > > Thanks Dion, thanks Mona :-) > > Back from Tasmania, had a lovely time. > Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/05/12 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03932; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:17:29 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199805112317.JAA03932@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: license is here! To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion Johnson) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:17:29 +1000 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) In-Reply-To: <19980511104119.30088@sco.com> from Dion Johnson at "May 11, 98 10:41:19 am" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 1515 Lines: 41 In article by Dion Johnson: > Tasmania! Wow that sounds exotic. I'm going to go look at my > atlas and see where it is. I looked it up once years ago but > forgot. Did you see a Tasmanian devil? Hi Dion. Tasmania is the large island state at the bottom of the Australian mainland, and it's probably 200km across in most directions. Weather was cool to warm: 10'C to 17'C. We stayed in the state's capital, Hobart, for 3 nights. First day we travelled south through rainforest & went through some caves & visited a thermal pool. Second day we trvelled north-east along the coastline, which is drier and windswept. The last day we went to Port Arthur, which was a prison from 1830 to 1880. We had a great time. > My mail services people are now telling me they need > to know your "postal code", which would be whatever is > equivalent to what we call a ZIP code. That's 2600. We call them postcodes. The bit before that is the state's identifier, ACT. > Warren K. Toomey > School of Computer Science, ADFA. [dept, institution] > Northcott drive, Canberra. ACT. 2600 [street, city, state, zip code] > AUSTRALIA [country] > > Work Phone (GMT +10): +61 2 6268 8050 That all looks good, Dion. My fax number is +61 2 6268 8581. You're free to fax me any new licenses if it would save SCO time & money. > Sorry for this stupid question, but if you can help > me understand your address, I will incur the good graces > of our international mail dept. I hope I've helped. Thanks again, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/05/13 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA06500 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:27:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA17739 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:27:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa03076; 13 May 98 11:22 PDT Message-ID: <19980513111913.47135@sco.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:19:13 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Cc: brianz@sco.COM, caroleh@sco.COM Subject: Re: Stats References: <199805130336.NAA05614@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199805130336.NAA05614@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 01:36:56PM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1299 Lines: 35 Very interesting. So far, 41 licenses signed here and sent to you. I wonder if we could get a quotable quote from Dennis about the goodness of this... our PR folks would really be tickled. Should I ask him? We are getting a few complaints about the $100 fee. We may create a "scholarship" deal for students etc. I will keep you informed. -Dion On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 01:36:56PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Hi Dion, I meant to pass on some stats in my last email to you, but I got > distracted by the holiday description. I don't know if the stats can be used > to mollify the powers that be :-) > > 90 people subscribed to the PUPS mailing list. Between 1 and 3 new > subscribers a week. > 27 people with SCO Ancient UNIX licenses (more coming). > 30 people with access to the on-line PUPS Archive. Some people have > previous UNIX source licenses. Some people (e.g Dennis Ritchie) > just have a natural right :-) > 15 volunteers prepared to burn CDs, tapes or do other useful things. > 6 or so CDs written by the PUPS volunteers and distributed so far. > 520 Megs of stuff in the PUPS Archive. There's more, which can't be > distributed for various reasons, mainly copyright or licensing. > > Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/06/15 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA12930 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:42:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA26694 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:41:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa22442; 15 Jun 98 10:29 PDT Message-ID: <19980615102933.45892@sco.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:29:33 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: source code availability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1181 Lines: 29 One of my friends here showed me your article in login. Thanks for your kinds words. Our legal folks have finally begun to see it all with some humor. The VP head of Legal division wants to collaborate on a practical joke on his staff wherein I will propose another new source code license that will be totally outrageous... and see how far it gets before they realize they've been had. One thing you mentioned in the article stimulated my memory of old days at IBM. You said that "having full source code to any OS was unheard of." Interestingly, in the old days, IBM used to provide full source code to MVS (and other products) to customers. This was ca 1966-1970. They distributed the source as assembly listings of the OS build, on tape. So you could indeed have the source code to a (arguably) useful OS. I _think_ that this is how Amdahl and others got the source code to create their rival versions of IBM's systems. I also recall that around 1970, IBM changed the model, or maybe realized that software was going to be a product, not something that came for free with the hardware, and they stopped providing source and unbundled the OS from the hardware.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/06/15 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13180 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:11:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29266 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:11:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa12820; 15 Jun 98 16:06 PDT Message-ID: <19980615160627.14717@sco.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:06:27 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: source code availability References: <19980615102933.45892@sco.com> <199806152241.IAA13121@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199806152241.IAA13121@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 08:41:25AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 2282 Lines: 49 On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 08:41:25AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Dion Johnson: > > One of my friends here showed me your article in login. > > Thanks for your kinds words. Our legal folks have finally > > begun to see it all with some humor. The VP head of Legal > > division wants to collaborate on a practical joke on > > his staff wherein I will propose another new source > > code license that will be totally outrageous... and see how > > far it gets before they realize they've been had. > > I can think of a few 8-) > > + Too much admin hassle for the $100 fee, just make the > ancient UNIX licenses freely available. > + Add SysV (any flavour) to the license. > + Ask Microsoft if they would release the old versions of Xenix. > > > One thing you mentioned in the article stimulated my > > memory of old days at IBM. You said that "having full > > source code to any OS was unheard of." Interestingly, > > in the old days, IBM used to provide full source > > code to MVS (and other products) to customers. This > > was ca 1966-1970. They distributed the source as > > assembly listings of the OS build, on tape. So you > > could indeed have the source code to a (arguably) > > useful OS. I _think_ that this is how Amdahl and others > > got the source code to create their rival versions of > > IBM's systems. > > Ah, I didn't know that. I assumed that companies didn't do this. > On the other hand, the code wasn't useful unless you were leasing > a machine from IBM, unless IBM were selling computers by that stage. IBM was both selling and leasing back then. The lease prices were so high that it was about a tossup for customers to choose between leasing for 3 years or purchase with 5-yr depreciation. Of course, the machines usually needed to be upgraded every 2-3 years. I dont recall the exact accounting calculations involved, but I expect IBM made it just about equally painful either way. This new groundswell of sentiment against Microsoft has much in common with the industry feelings toward IBM back then.... the difference being that in the 60s-70s, IBM really did provide a price "umbrella" that kept a lot of other little companies alive, whereas Microsoft is not so benevolent.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/06/29 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA06647 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:13:52 +1000 (EST) Received: by sco.sco.COM id ai01109; 29 Jun 98 9:53 PDT Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa00061; 29 Jun 98 9:10 PDT Message-ID: <19980629090754.44399@sco.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:07:54 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: licenses 46-51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 293 Lines: 13 I am sending you licenses AU-46 - AU-51 today. I will probably have another bunch in a couple weeks. I will be away from 7/10-7/22, FYI. Winter greetings. Is it cold there this time of year? It's been the coolest June here in years, maybe ever - due to the El Nino, apparently. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/06/30 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00785 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 02:08:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA04057 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 02:08:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa05241; 30 Jun 98 8:58 PDT Message-ID: <19980630085812.59651@sco.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:58:12 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: licenses 46-51 References: <19980629090754.44399@sco.com> <199806292310.JAA00284@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199806292310.JAA00284@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Tue, Jun 30, 1998 at 09:10:33AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1312 Lines: 31 On Tue, Jun 30, 1998 at 09:10:33AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > > Winter greetings. Is it cold there this time > > of year? It's been the coolest June here in > > years, maybe ever - due to the El Nino, apparently. > > We had a long, warm, dry autumn (i.e fall) right through May and into June, > which is very unusual. Definitely El Nino. However, the rains hit about > 3 weeks ago, and now we're getting the usual Canberra winter weather: > drizzle, frosts, fog until noon, and temperatures around 10'C, or 50'F. The US Weather Service says the El Nino is now over. ;-) Your winter weather sounds very pleasant, actually. Not unlike here. > > I see you guys have been getting some nasty tornados & stuff out in the > mid-west. Have a good holiday(?) over July! Yes, my folks live in Oklahoma. But fortunately in an area which does not get tornados. I've always been amazed at the midwesterners who express concern about earthquakes in CA, since your average tornado in the South kills/destroys more than several major earthquakes. As for 4th July, I will spend the weekend packing and getting ready to go to Japan where I will be 7/10-21. Vacation, on concert tour with my musician friend Junji Shirota (excellent Irish guitar and banjo player). You like Irish traditional music?
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/01 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA03038 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:52:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA19949 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:51:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa10901; 1 Jul 98 9:48 PDT Message-ID: <19980701094824.51750@sco.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:48:24 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au, Michael Sokolov <msokolov@blackwidow.soml.cwru.edu> Subject: Re: Proving the license Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2313 Lines: 49 I will pester the legal folks in NJ to see if they can locate anything. On Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 12:24:02PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: Proving the license > To: Michael Sokolov <msokolov@blackwidow.soml.cwru.edu> > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:24:02 +1000 (EST) > Cc: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > In article by Michael Sokolov: > > Dear Warren, > > My name is Michael Sokolov, and I'm from Case Western Reserve University > > (CWRU), that's in Cleveland, OH, USA. I have plans to do great and > > wonderful things with Ritchie/Thompson/Kernighan/Berkeley UNIX(R) for PDP- > > 11s and VAXen. (Things like making the Berkeley VAX version run on every > > VAX from 11/780 to 10000, just like VMS.) Obviously, we (CWRU) have a > > UNIX(R) source license for the entire campus. It's a real Bell Labs / AT&T > > / Western Electric one, not the SCO "ancient" thing. The tricky part is, > > how do I go about proving this so that I can get FTP access to the PUPS > > archive? Locating the original license agreement would be next to > > impossible, since the people who have made it are long gone and things have > > probably been reorganized, restructured, and moved at the University 2^32 > > times since then. In fact, when I called the current guy in the department > > that has originally purchased the license, he didn't even know that we have > > it! > > Michael, hmm, a difficult problem. If you can find _any_ paper copy of _any_ > license (7th Ed, 32V, System III, System V), then that would be wonderful. > You would then be able to fax me the pages with signatures on it. > > Alternatively, I guess we could ask SCO (who now own the source) to ask > their lawyers if they know the details of the old AT&T licenses, particularly > to verify if CWRU has a licence. > > If worse comes to worse, you could buy a new license for US$100 from SCO, > and then you could get access. > > I'm not so keen on giving access even if you can prove you've got the source. > However, you might be able to ask SCO to grant you some special consideration > in this case. > > I'll cc this reply to Dion at SCO, who might be able to offer us some advice. > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/01 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03195 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:21:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22490 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:21:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa14634; 1 Jul 98 10:50 PDT Message-ID: <19980701105035.21874@sco.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:50:35 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: licenses 46-51 References: <19980630085812.59651@sco.com> <199806302325.JAA01028@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199806302325.JAA01028@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 09:25:22AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1852 Lines: 45 On Wed, Jul 01, 1998 at 09:25:22AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > > I played bass guitar in a blues band at Uni a long time ago. I also did a bit > of classical guitar once too. I love classical guitar, always have. >Is Irish guitar a solo/duet instrument like > classical guitar, or played as part of an ensemble? So what instrument do Irish music as I know it is usually 2-5 musicians, pretty lively tempo, reels, jigs, etc. very perky music. Junji plays at an Irish pub in San Francisco every week, plus quite a few other gigs here and there. We had a concert here in Santa Cruz, but attendance was poor due to my bad job of promoting/advertising. In Japan, he's pretty well known. His band has made several CD's now. He also plays in a couple of other bands from time to time, Bluegrass and also Japanese Pop stuff. He's very versatile. Interestingly, I also have been written up in some of the fan magazines because I'm his friend - been characterized as some kind of eccentric, old, mountain hippie rich guy. What a laugh. > you play?! I play banjo, and guitar a little, but very badly. Mostly, I am just a "friend of the band". They are very gracious about letting me sit in, but I really need to practice more to feel OK about it. ;-) At least I help them with contract matters. Applying my software legal skills to the music business is an interesting excercise. I like Japan a lot - the people are nice and the country seems to be operating well - everything works. When you go in to a business, they take you seriously and are polite, not like many American businesses. I slightly, in my fantasies, have considered seeking a nice Japanese woman for a wife, if I could find one that would have me. At least I have a hot tub (we call it a spa in CA) - goes over pretty well with Japanese visitors at my place. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/01 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03448 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:14:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu [129.22.50.4]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23874 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:13:57 +1000 (EST) Received: by blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12804; Wed, 1 Jul 98 21:14:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 98 21:14:08 -0400 From: msokolov@blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: <9807020114.AA12804@blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu> To: dionj@sco.com Subject: Re: CWRU Unix source license from ATT/Bell/USL days Cc: hbh@hal.epbi.cwru.edu, wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1249 Lines: 36 Dear Dion, You wrote: > Case Western Reserve University has a source code license for UNIX System > V Release 3.2 (E-SOFT-00160) executed Sept. 15, 1989.o > > I am getting a copy of this sent to me. GREAT! SVR3.2!!! Dion, sometimes I just don't know how to thank you enough. Sometimes you can do miracles! > Michael, pls let me know your postal address or fax # where I > can send you a copy of this. I think it would be best to snail it to my office address below. We have a fax machine, but its output is usually illegible. As soon as I get it, I'll give copies to all interested parties at CWRU, including Herb Hamilton, the current guy in the department that has purchased the original license (I'm Cc'ing this to him). I would also appreciate it if you could send another copy directly to Warren to speed up the process (I have all hardware ready to go, just waiting for the software). Sincerely, Michael Sokolov Phone: 216-368-6888 (Office) 440-449-0299 (Home) 216-217-2579 (Cellular) ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov@blackwidow.cwru.edu Snail mail (office): Michael Sokolov, Olin 411 Computer Engineering and Science Case Western Reserve University 10900 Euclid Avenue Cleveland, OH 44106
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/01 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02475 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:58:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu [129.22.50.4]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12294 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:58:25 +1000 (EST) Received: by blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12209; Wed, 1 Jul 98 00:58:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 98 00:58:46 -0400 From: msokolov@blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: <9807010458.AA12209@blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Proving the license Cc: dionj@sco.com Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2524 Lines: 55 Dear Warren, You wrote: > Michael, hmm, a difficult problem. If you can find _any_ paper copy of > _any_ license (7th Ed, 32V, System III, System V), then that would be > wonderful. You would then be able to fax me the pages with signatures on > it. Well, I'm not giving up on this yet. The guy keeps saying that he is asking around. > Alternatively, I guess we could ask SCO (who now own the source) to ask > their lawyers if they know the details of the old AT&T licenses, > particularly to verify if CWRU has a licence. This is pretty much what I was considering as a backup plan if the guy doesn't find anything. > If worse comes to worse, you could buy a new license for US$100 from SCO, > and then you could get access. I would have no problem with this if I were doing it for myself, but this is really a University project, not a personal one. (That's what allows me to use hardware officially donated to the University, house it in the University's space, and feed its hungry 19" disk drives with the University's power.) The University obviously can't justify buying a new license just because they have misplaced the paperwork for the existing one. Can I buy it personally? Well, I don't think the University would mind accepting a donation from one of its employees, but I don't think the license is even transferable in this way. Also consider that there is a high probability that our license covers System V, and I would certainly love to be able to play legally with the sources for, say, SunOS and Solaris (which we appear to have somewhere). [Hi, Dion! I know this is hard to believe, but I still haven't been able to get the people at UC Berkeley to even send me a copy of the license they require people to sign. They are un-cooperative beyond belief. Anyway, Warren's group is already freely sharing 2.xBSD tapes among AT&T and SCO licensees, and I see absolutely no reason for 4.xBSD to be different. I guess what we need to do is to convince the people with copies of the different 4.xBSD tapes (I know a few) to contribute them to the PUPS archive. I'm certainly willing to contribute the 4.3BSD tapes I have stumbled across a couple of weeks ago! If we get all 4.xBSD tapes in the PUPS archive, UC Berkeley's a**holes will never collect another $2400 "distribution fee"!] Sincerely, Michael Sokolov Phone: 216-368-6888 (Office) 440-449-0299 (Home) 216-217-2579 (Cellular) ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov@blackwidow.cwru.edu
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA05656 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:29:01 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA03423 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:28:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa25171; 2 Jul 98 8:28 PDT Message-ID: <19980702082826.11309@sco.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:28:26 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Proving the license Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 812 Lines: 27 Well, of course we do. But people work on what makes money first, and they do the tidying up later (which of course means never). I have never seen the NJ archives but I can imagine there are closets full of ancient stuff. We inherited some thousands of contracts when we bought the Unix stuff from Novell. No one has ever gone through them all... On Thu, Jul 02, 1998 at 09:24:45AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: Proving the license > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:24:45 +1000 (EST) > In article by Dion Johnson: > > I will pester the legal folks in NJ to see if they can locate anything. > > Thanks Dion. You guys really need a canonical list of old AT&T source > licenses. > > Ciao, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05811 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:25:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA04824 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:25:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa13057; 2 Jul 98 14:23 PDT Message-ID: <19980702142326.58250@sco.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:23:26 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: licenses 46-51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 3197 Lines: 68 > > Junji plays at an Irish pub in San Francisco every week, plus quite a > > few other gigs here and there. > > In Japan, he's pretty well known. His band has made several CD's now. > > He also plays in a couple of other bands from time to time, Bluegrass > > and also Japanese Pop stuff. He's very versatile. Interestingly, I also > > have been written up in some of the fan magazines because I'm his > > friend - been characterized as some kind of eccentric, old, mountain > > hippie rich guy. What a laugh. > > I love e-mail, it's so wonderful. I have no visual mind-image of you, so > I can't even start to work out how to put that description of you into > context. You can see a pic of me at www.scruznet.net/~dionj It's a pathetic web page so far, but I will be working on it. > > I like Japan a lot - the people are nice and the country seems to > > be operating well - everything works. When you go in to a > > business, they take you seriously and are polite, not like many > > American businesses. I slightly, in my fantasies, have > > considered seeking a nice Japanese woman for a wife, if I could > > find one that would have me. At least I have a hot tub (we call > > it a spa in CA) - goes over pretty well with Japanese visitors at > > my place. > > The asian downturn is hitting them pretty badly, and the social implications > are tougher as the men are the traditional breadwinners. We haven't copped > things so hard yet (although the Oz dollar dropped badly last week), but > the asian economies do influence our own. I haven't been to Japan yet, I > understand they smoke more [then Australians smoke]. They smoke a lot, and drink a lot too. But you dont see too many people who are overweight, as you do here. Californians have become rabidly anti-smoking, but it's much more tolerated on the East Coast. > We have spas here too, but I think the spa culture is different. Ours are > for private use by individuals, partners and families in the privacy of > their own home. From what I understand, CA spas are more communal. My spa is outside, with a lovely view of the Glenwood valley. No neighbors anywhere near, so it's comfy. I rarely use it with more than one additional person. ;-) But it can easily hold 4 people, or up to 8 if they are friendly. In Japan, having your own hot tub is a bit of a luxury for many people. The public communal tubs are usually segregated, although not all. Also, I find the Japanese heat their tubs way hotter than I can stand! > Best of luck with the trip. Would you consider moving to Japan if you > found the love of your life there, or is it more a fantasy than a > possibility?! I could easily imagine living/working in Japan for a year or two, but I'd miss my home in CA after a while. I've lived in my house for 30 years and it's full of toys, tools, memories, etc In any case, I'd assume a Japanese wife would obediently want to go to wherever I live. Japanese women are wonderfully unliberated. Not that I am a total chauvinist pig - I am not - but I do appreciate cooperation. In any case, it's not likely to happen. But it is, as you suggest, a fun fantasy. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05924 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:09:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05052 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:09:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa15177; 2 Jul 98 15:09 PDT Message-ID: <19980702150902.32471@sco.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:09:02 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: licenses 46-51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1492 Lines: 39 Yes, I saw your pic on the front of the ;login article. I am not really a religious zealot about MS. I hate them but not enough to let it spoil my fun. The fact is, many of the toys I want to play with are supported in Windows (my digital camera, scanners, dye-sub printer, via voice.... the list goes on and on. I might get this stuff running under UNIX but it would be a hassle. Windows works tolerably well for me, doesnt crash very much at all. Also, many interesting softwares are available on Windows that dont exist on UNIX. My other machine, where I read Usenet, runs DOS! (because the old fashioned dial-up ASCII/TTY protocol is much smoother for interactive use than trying to use TCP/IP for text). I have used OpenServer at home, and am thinking about installing it again. I also tried NT but too many of the Windows apps dont work under NT, and again there is the issue of support for lots of devices. On the other hand, it would be more kosher for me to have a UNIX screen showing in my pic. ;-) I will consider that. -Dion On Fri, Jul 03, 1998 at 07:58:07AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > I'm at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/warren.html > > I haven't told most people yet that I am too young to have ever played with > the PDP-11 versions of Unix. I was 13 when V7 came out :-) > > I'm surprised you let yourself be photographed with a computer running > the Devil's operating system. I was expecting to see an X interface! > > Ciao, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06009 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:55:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu [129.22.50.4]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06733 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:55:06 +1000 (EST) Received: by blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA13490; Thu, 2 Jul 98 20:55:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 98 20:55:28 -0400 From: msokolov@blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: <9807030055.AA13490@blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu> To: dionj@sco.com Subject: Re: CWRU Unix source license from ATT/Bell/USL days Cc: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 448 Lines: 20 Dear Dion, You wrote: > Good news - I just got your license. > I'm sending it by USPS. Thanks! Since Warren has CWRU in his database already, I guess there is no need to send a paper copy to him any more. [Warren, please tell Dion if this is wrong.] Sincerely, Michael Sokolov Phone: 216-368-6888 (Office) 440-449-0299 (Home) 216-217-2579 (Cellular) ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov@blackwidow.cwru.edu
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03490 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:26:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24070 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:25:55 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03475; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:25:42 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199807020125.LAA03475@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: CWRU Unix source license from ATT/Bell/USL days To: msokolov@blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu (Michael Sokolov) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:25:42 +1000 (EST) Cc: dionj@sco.com, hbh@hal.epbi.cwru.edu, wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <9807020114.AA12804@blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu> from Michael Sokolov at "Jul 1, 98 09:14:08 pm" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 783 Lines: 24 In article by Michael Sokolov: > Dear Dion, > > You wrote: > > Case Western Reserve University has a source code license for UNIX System > > V Release 3.2 (E-SOFT-00160) executed Sept. 15, 1989. > > I am getting a copy of this sent to me. > > GREAT! SVR3.2!!! Dion, sometimes I just don't know how to thank you > enough. Sometimes you can do miracles! Dion, Michael, on the basis of this e-mail, I'm prepared to grant Michael password protected ftp access to the PUPS Archive. Dion, let me know if there's a problem. Michael, do you have a PGP key, so I can mail you the access details in a reasonably secure manner. I can't accept the key via e-mail (too easy to forge), but if it is up on a web server or PGP key server, that would be great. Thanks, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/06 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA10685 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:59:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA27413 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:58:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa14033; 6 Jul 98 10:57 PDT Message-ID: <19980706105745.15956@sco.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:57:45 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Got licenses to AU-51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 648 Lines: 22 I'm not sure if NJ will be sending me a batch of licenses this week. If they do, I will send it along. Yes, we spend a lot on DHL but it seems to be the only reliable way to send stuff to many countries. On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 02:01:14PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Got licenses to AU-51 > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:01:14 +1000 (EST) > Thanks again. Could you ship a copy of Michael Sokolov's old AT&T license > in the next batch, just so I've got it on record. You guys must spend a > fortune on DHL shipping! > > Ciao, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/07/23 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA08809 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:36:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id EAA02157 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:35:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa06276; 23 Jul 98 11:31 PDT Message-ID: <19980723113119.17523@sco.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:31:19 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: CWRU license Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 17 I had a good time, but was more tired than I expected. Lotsa running around. Maybe I will write up a trip report, so many people are asking. On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 09:18:17AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: CWRU license > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:18:17 +1000 (EST) > Hi Dion, got the Case Western Uni license, thanks. How's the Japan tour? > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/08/20 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15410 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:26:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA25353 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:24:01 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa08365; 20 Aug 98 8:23 PDT Message-ID: <19980820082350.05775@sco.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:23:50 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: AU-52 to 65! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 677 Lines: 25 I bet fairly soon. I met Peter Salus at SCO Forum this week. What a nice guy. He was most gracious and is talking about doing a book on SCO's 20th Anniv which is coming up. We mentioned the ancient Unix source license and talked about your work with PUPS, etc. We've joined Linux International. I guess I may be SCO's representative, at least initially. On Wed, Aug 19, 1998 at 11:49:59AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: AU-52 to 65! > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:49:59 +1000 (EST) > Got em, Dion! Many thanks again. Wonder if/when we'll hit 100. > > Ciao, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/08/20 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16118 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:05:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA29554 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:02:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa08617; 20 Aug 98 17:02 PDT Message-ID: <19980820170227.33636@sco.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:02:27 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: status of 86open Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2633 Lines: 64 Here is the blurb that I published to the 86open dev group. We just announced at SCO forum that we will indeed support Linux application compatibility in UnixWare. No time fram announced. ALso, we will begin to support selected open-source tools (e.g. gcc and related tools). -Dion Bulletin on status of 86open at SCO ----------------------------------- As we see it, the 86open activity is a research project, conceived in a single meeting and with some ensuing email discussions. It is not a _product_ plan; it is a technical feasibility exploration. It does not necessarily have an end, and it may yet happen. There are other ways of obtaining interoperability of binaries, as we also discussed at the original meeting. When we first discussed it, we acknowledged that emulation was one way that was known to work. As we understood it, there was a consensus that we already have emulation that works. This is not interesting. The interesting idea that Linus put forth was a research proposal for a universal, reference C library with a minimal set of functions that everyone could build; certainly not guaranteed to work, and we did not know if it was feasible. But it _was_ interesting to the audience, so we - the whole group - decided to spend a little time on it. As time went by, the engineers at SCO who chose to work on this found it was harder than expected and we had to admit we either (1) needed help, or (2) would stop spending time on it. Partly due to other pressing issues, #2 happened first. There still may be work done on the idea of a portable, minimal reference libc port, but it's not moving forward at SCO right now. Also, and partly as result of the 86open discussions and activities, SCO has come to believe that we really need to be able to run Linux binaries in the near future. Knowing that the emulation scheme works to around 90% success, maybe better, we are now choosing to invest in making that scheme work. Some of our engineers may yet return to the original libc project, or they may not. They are volunteers and make their own choices, but SCO is not going to put company time/money into that project at this time, except to the extent that we are happy to provide SCO software to anyone who wants to experiment. In the coming months, SCO will be improving the capabilities of the lxrun emulator. -Dion L. Johnson II SCO On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 07:55:16AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > > What happened to that i386 Unix binary standardisation group/forum/thingy > that was announced last year? I think I saw that you were on it. > > Cheers again! > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/08/22 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17853 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:59:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA25888 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:57:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa07499; 22 Aug 98 8:56 PDT Message-ID: <19980822085653.00130@sco.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:56:53 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: status of 86open References: <19980820170227.33636@sco.com> <199808210116.LAA16201@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199808210116.LAA16201@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 11:16:33AM +1000 Organization: SCO Inc. Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 1843 Lines: 49 On Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 11:16:33AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > From: Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> > Subject: Re: status of 86open > To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.com> > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:16:33 +1000 (EST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] > In article by Dion Johnson: > > Here is the blurb that I published to the 86open dev group. > > We just announced at SCO forum that we will indeed support > > Linux application compatibility in UnixWare. No time fram > > announced. ALso, we will begin to support selected open-source > > tools (e.g. gcc and related tools). > > -Dion > > I'd have to say about time on the GNU/open source tools. In the > sense that you should provide the GNU people with patches to get > the tools working, not dial-up support to SCO users. We've been porting GNU stuff for several years. It's released on our "Skunkware" CD. Of course, the guys who do the ports reflect porting info/patches back to the authors. Robert Lipe (EGCS) is one of our best contributors. > > On the 86open front, I guess I'd like a standard that wasn't vendor-specific. > I'd like Linux to `bend' a little to meet the standard, just as all the > other vendors like FreeBSD and SCO would have to, as well. Any standard we pick will have some vendor origin. We (all of us) seem to be heading toward a scheme where the kernel will recognize the binaries and do appropriate emulation for each type. > > Thanks for the blurb, though. I'm glad it hasn't died out yet. Lots of activity around Linux right now. We have a bunch of Linux people wanting to meet with SCO and see how we can work together. It's a delicate situation since Linux is indeed a competitor to us, but also we are all Unix and need to stand united. More will be revealed. ;-) -Dion > > Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/09/25 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17769 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:54:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA05752 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:54:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa02571; 25 Sep 98 7:51 PDT Message-ID: <19980925074415.50007@sco.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:44:15 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: AU-76 References: <199809250119.LAA01327@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 710 Lines: 22 Thanks Warren. More licenses coming in a few days. Santa Cruz is on the coast, about 400 miles North of the LA area. It's an easy plane ride from Burbank to San Jose, then about 45 mins by car from San Jose to here. There isnt really much to see here (except the Aquarium in Monterey is pretty nice, and of course San Francisco (60 miles North) has many attractions. On Fri, Sep 25, 1998 at 11:19:26AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > Dion, got AU-74 to -76, thanks. Where in the US are you? I might be over there > in January, and will be trying to at least get to Burbank, CA to catch up with > Steven Schultz. If you're relatively close, I might try to pop in & see you > too. > > Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/10/07 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA22651 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:47:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA26665 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:46:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa12903; 7 Oct 98 13:44 PDT Message-ID: <19981007133359.43575@sco.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:33:59 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: AU-77 to AU-82 References: <199810070354.NAA21681@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1325 Lines: 33 I have a few more coming to you soon. Ordinarily, Sept-Oct are very nice months here, but last month we have had very cold, very hot, rain, and inbetween... all in the last month. Today it's pleasant about 23 Centigrade. Typically, the temp at the coast stays nicest, with more heat/cold as you move inland. Here at SCO, we are about 1 mile from the ocean, so it's usually quite nice. Where I live, just 10 miles inland, it can easily be 10 Deg.F. cooler or hotter. My place is in redwood forest, at 1150 ft. altitude. in the Santa Cruz Mtns. This "El Nino" thing was quite a strange year. We had people catching Mahi Mahi around here, and other tropical fish. The ocean got 10 Deg.F warmer than usual (up to 65 F.) so it was warm enough to swim with no wetsuit! Now we are said to be in a "La Nina" which will also bring strange weather. I just signed up with a contractor to put a new roof on my house. Hope he gets on it before it starts raining too much... -Dion On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 01:54:32PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > Hi Dion, I've just received AU-77 to AU-82. We should reach AU-100 sometime > next year! Hope things are well over there, it must be getting cooler. It's > early spring here, but we had a +10'C above normal day last week, that's > a +18'F day. Lovely! > > Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/10/07 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22925 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:28:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA00057 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:27:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa19936; 7 Oct 98 16:27 PDT Message-ID: <19981007161651.19290@sco.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:16:51 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: AU-77 to AU-82 References: <19981007133359.43575@sco.com> <199810072309.JAA22830@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 869 Lines: 22 On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 09:09:47AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > > Good luck with the roof. We just had a long weekend, and my partner & I > went off to a wedding, and then on to do a bit of touring around the state > of NSW. Round trip was about 1200 km, just over 800mi. Towns in country NSW > are typically separated by 60km distance. Are the desert areas in the US > much the same? > Warren Wow, sounds great. Do you ever get to the opal mining areas? Yes there are many parts of USA where population is very thin. The high desert areas of Nevada, Utah are good examples. You see it very clearly from the air... miles and miles of rocky badlands. There are also some areas in Arizone, New Mexico, and Montana that are similar. Even better examples in Canada, but it's not desert, although the Arctic and Subarctic Tundra is like a desert in some ways.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/11/02 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07463 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:08:35 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA25847 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:07:58 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa0043o; Mon Nov 2 14:03:57 1998 Message-ID: <19981102140357.55127@sco.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:03:57 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: AU-83 to -87 References: <199810260050.LAA09051@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 20 On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 11:50:14AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > Hi Dion, SCO licenses AU-83 to -87 have arrived. End of 2nd semester Uni here > so I'm more relaxed! How's things over there? > > Warren Things are quiet for me. Just got back from vacation in Oklahoma to visit my folks. Had a nice time. My dad's 87 but still pretty active. We went shooting (clay pigeons, and pheasants) a couple times. I'm still trying to understand SCO's new deal with IBM, this "Monterey" project... new 64-bit OS for AIX and UnixWare. Looks like a major good deal for SCO. Our weather has been cool and pleasant. Winter rains not really started up yet.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/11/23 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03671 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:57:45 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA17979 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:56:06 +1100 (EST) Received: from mammoth.sco.COM(132.147.46.9) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa0059X; Mon Nov 23 15:54:56 1998 Received: from davidey.pdev.sco.com by mammoth.sco.com id aa01052; 23 Nov 98 15:47 PST Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981123234323.009a45c0@mammoth.sco.com> X-Sender: davidey@mammoth.sco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:43:23 -0800 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au, Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> From: David Eyes <davidey@sco.COM> Subject: Re: Q. Status of Net/2? Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2023 Lines: 61 Warren: Just saying howdy and echoing your wish for Dion to stay actively in the loop. He's dripping with all kinds of info about the arcana of such Unix historicalisms such as you describe that I think we would be somewhat lost without him. As far as the 'ancient Unix source code' side of things goes, I think my primary role (to date) any way as the 'free guy' has been to relieve Dion of some of the tedium of processing the licenses. Thanks for your good wishes. At 10:21 AM 11/24/98 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >In article by Dion Johnson: >> I dont think I know what is the Net/2 tape from UCB. ;-) > >Ok. Back in the 80's when UCB was doing the TCP/IP software for BSD, >they released a tape called net/1 which only had the modifications to the >kernel for the TCP/IP stuff, plus the user-level network applications. >They gave it away to anybody, no src license was required. > >Around 1991, they again released a tape. This time it was called the >net/2 tape. This time, it contained complete (or partial) files >from /usr/src/sys (i.e the BSD kernel). > >At the end of the USL vs UCB dispute, UCB agreed to stop distributing >the Net/2 tape because it was `contaminated', and they were then >permitted to distribute 4.4-BSD-Lite. > >Anyway, that's the situation. I could knock up a more detailed review of >the situation over the next few days for you. > >> Finally, let me introduce you to my friend David Eyes. >> David is taking over the management and marketing of >> SCO's "free stuff". I will continue to help him >> as emeritus former manager, for a while. >> -Dion > >Ah, don't go Dion, you've been so helpful! I'm sure David will do a fine >job too. Have you filled David in on the PUPS group and our archive? >David, I'm part of a group of people trying to preserve the history of >UNIX. Give me a yell if I can help explain what we're doing. > >Thanks to you both, > > Warren > -- David Eyes Marketing Manager Free Unix and Open Source Software 831-427-7532 (voice) 831-427-5472 (fax)
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/11/23 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03561 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:13:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA17480 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:11:30 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa004P9; Mon Nov 23 15:08:12 1998 Message-ID: <19981123150812.27410@sco.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:08:12 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Cc: David Eyes <davidey@sco.COM>, tisam@sco.COM Subject: Re: Q. Status of Net/2? References: <199811232228.JAA03356@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1843 Lines: 53 I dont think I know what is the Net/2 tape from UCB. ;-) If it's that "BSD Unix that requires an AT&T source license" then all I know is what I learned indirectly from our friend Sokolov at CWRU. (You recall that thread?) You say that UCB "agreed" to stop distributing that tape. Agreed with whom? Who asked them to stop? Who is saying that there is no source license needed? Do they really know this, or is it just wishful thinking? SCO doesnt like to sue people and we rarely do it. We do it when there are significant revenues to be gained or lost. Like I said, we'd need to know what's on this net/2 tape in order to discuss much further. Finally, let me introduce you to my friend David Eyes. David is taking over the management and marketing of SCO's "free stuff". I will continue to help him as emeritus former manager, for a while. -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Manager of Developer Architecture and Technical customers'advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 831-427-5417 Voice: 831-427-7565 On Tue, Nov 24, 1998 at 09:28:10AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > Hi Dion, > > I've got a nasty political/legal question for you. What is SCO's > present stance on the Net/2 tape from UCB? I know that UCB agreed to stop > distributing the tape. Would this agreement stop 3rd parties from distributing > the tape? And it someone did distribute the Net/2 tape, would SCO be even > remotely likely to sue them?! > > I've been offered a copy to add to the growing collection of old UNIX > stuff here in the PUPS Archive, and some people are saying that a source > license isn't required for the Net/2 tape. I just want to cover my butt. > > Many thanks in advance for an answer! Hope you're well over there. > Catch you 'round, > > Warren > >
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/11/23 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03784 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:43:07 +1100 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA18619 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:41:29 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa005pv; Mon Nov 23 16:38:03 1998 Message-ID: <19981123163801.54878@sco.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:38:01 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Cc: davidey@sco.COM Subject: Re: Q. Status of Net/2? References: <19981123150812.27410@sco.com> <199811232321.KAA03577@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1839 Lines: 48 OK, based on this info, I'd conjecture that the Net/2 tape does indeed contain some Unix kernel code that is System V. This would not be covered by the Ancient Unix Source License, and I am pretty sure we'd not want to freely license whatever system V stuff in Net/2 we might have rights to. IOW I think you better not make copies of Net/2. ;-) -Dion On Tue, Nov 24, 1998 at 10:21:51AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Dion Johnson: > > I dont think I know what is the Net/2 tape from UCB. ;-) > > Ok. Back in the 80's when UCB was doing the TCP/IP software for BSD, > they released a tape called net/1 which only had the modifications to the > kernel for the TCP/IP stuff, plus the user-level network applications. > They gave it away to anybody, no src license was required. > > Around 1991, they again released a tape. This time it was called the > net/2 tape. This time, it contained complete (or partial) files > from /usr/src/sys (i.e the BSD kernel). > > At the end of the USL vs UCB dispute, UCB agreed to stop distributing > the Net/2 tape because it was `contaminated', and they were then > permitted to distribute 4.4-BSD-Lite. > > Anyway, that's the situation. I could knock up a more detailed review of > the situation over the next few days for you. > > > Finally, let me introduce you to my friend David Eyes. > > David is taking over the management and marketing of > > SCO's "free stuff". I will continue to help him > > as emeritus former manager, for a while. > > -Dion > > Ah, don't go Dion, you've been so helpful! I'm sure David will do a fine > job too. Have you filled David in on the PUPS group and our archive? > David, I'm part of a group of people trying to preserve the history of > UNIX. Give me a yell if I can help explain what we're doing. > > Thanks to you both, > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/11/24 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03356; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:28:11 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199811232228.JAA03356@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Q. Status of Net/2? To: dionj@sco.com (Dion Johnson) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:28:10 +1100 (EST) Cc: wkt (Warren Toomey) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 650 Lines: 21 Hi Dion, I've got a nasty political/legal question for you. What is SCO's present stance on the Net/2 tape from UCB? I know that UCB agreed to stop distributing the tape. Would this agreement stop 3rd parties from distributing the tape? And it someone did distribute the Net/2 tape, would SCO be even remotely likely to sue them?! I've been offered a copy to add to the growing collection of old UNIX stuff here in the PUPS Archive, and some people are saying that a source license isn't required for the Net/2 tape. I just want to cover my butt. Many thanks in advance for an answer! Hope you're well over there. Catch you 'round, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1998/12/18 Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15429 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:24:27 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa000gf; Fri Dec 18 20:22:20 1998 Message-ID: <19981218202222.35477@sco.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:22:22 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: David Wood <davidw@sco.COM> Cc: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Dave to OZ! References: <9812181555.aa15466@tahoe.pdev.sco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 780 Lines: 31 Yow! What fun. Good on you, Dave! I have no idea what are your plans/desires, but if you want to visit a very interesting, slightly famous Unix geek who might be a good connection down there... he's Warren Toomey. Certified Nice Guy and Friend of SCO, and he knows the territory. Ask to see his PDP-11! Warren Toomey <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Warren Toomey School of Computer Science, ADFA. Northcott drive, Canberra. ACT. 2600 AUSTRALIA Work Phone (GMT +10): +61 2 6268 8050 On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 03:55:04PM -0800, David Wood wrote: > > I wanted to say goodbye for a while as I am going on personal leave. > First stop is Australia for a few months starting in January > > My last day is Monday December 21st. > > See you later. > > Dave Wood (davidw) >
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/01/06 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA19216 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 03:13:49 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id DAA23890 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 03:12:58 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa005r-; Wed Jan 6 08:10:42 1999 Message-ID: <19990106081041.45576@sco.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:10:41 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Dave to OZ! References: <19981218202222.35477@sco.com> <199901060503.QAA18109@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 1370 Lines: 38 On Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 04:03:42PM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Dion Johnson: > > On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 03:55:04PM -0800, David Wood wrote: > > > I wanted to say goodbye for a while as I am going on personal leave. > > Yow! What fun. Good on you, Dave! > > I have no idea what are your plans/desires, but if > > you want to visit a very interesting, slightly famous > > Unix geek who might be a good connection down there... > > he's Warren Toomey. > > Hi Dion, hope you had a good Xmas/New Years break. I haven't heard from > Dave yet. I also received AUs up to AU-119 just a few days ago. He may not have time to drop by. I have no idea what his plans are. > > Damn hot here, predicted 37'C here (just under 100'F) today. Whoa! Sounds like Oklahoma in the summer. > Catch you again soon, My new year is starting off well. I'm taking some vacation in Arizona in a couple weeks to attend the national trapshooting finals (mostly it means to socialize with my folks and various other family friends). It should be nice down there in Tucson in the high desert. I just got some new Pirellis on the Allante and it would be a fun drive, but probably 1.5 days each way - just a bit much. I hope your new year is off to a good start. Are you one of the believers that we are already in the new millenium (since the first year was zero)?
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/01/21 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA10668 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:28:55 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id FAA02659 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:27:46 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa004KM; Thu Jan 21 10:05:42 1999 Message-ID: <19990121100540.39725@sco.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:05:40 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Change of PUPS site References: <19981123163801.54878@sco.com> <199811240048.LAA03797@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 149 Lines: 7 Warren, could you pls resend that notice you sent me the other day, about the PUPS site changing? I bounced it and forgot to save a copy. Thx.
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/02/03 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA05380 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:48:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA27724 for <wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:46:14 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa003d2; Wed Feb 3 11:31:22 1999 Message-ID: <19990203113120.62537@sco.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:31:20 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Cc: David Eyes <davidey@sco.COM> Subject: Sonoma State license question References: <19981123163801.54878@sco.com> <199811240048.LAA03797@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1512 Lines: 42 We have old records that go back as far as late 1970s. Our legal folks in New Jersey scanned the lists and we find no entries for Sonoma State. Andru is most welcome to obtain the "Ancient Unix Source License" that we offer for a nominal fee. Check at www.sco.com/offers. (I seem to have misplaced his email - please forward as you see fit.) Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Developer Tools and Technical customers'advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 831-427-5417 Voice: 831-427-7565 > >On Wed, Feb 03, 1999 at 11:23:51AM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > >> In article by Andru Luvisi: > >> > My university once had PDP-11s and, later, AT&T unix machines, and has had > >> > a cs department long enough that it may have a source license... alas, no > >> > one I have been able to talk to so far remembers. > >> > > >> > Do you know of anyone at SCO or AT&T I could contact to find out if we > >> > have a license? Would you be able to find out? > >> > > >> > Andru Luvisi > >> > Library Systems Department > >> > Sonoma State University > >> > >> Hi Andru. > >> > >> Apparently there is no easy way to find out is Sonoma State University > >> has a UNIX source license, unless they have kept a paper copy of the > >> license. I will ask my contact at SCO if there is any procedure to follow > >> which could help track down your university's license, but I expect that > >> there is none. > >> > >> Sorry, > >> Warren > > > > >
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/03/15 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09979 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:01:46 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA28699 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:01:43 +1100 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa000aE; Mon Mar 15 12:54:41 1999 Message-ID: <19990315124546.06257@sco.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:45:46 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Legal Question References: <199903150952.UAA09007@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1959 Lines: 58 On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 08:52:18PM +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > Hi Dion, > How's things going? I have a tricky legal question, and I don't > know if you/SCO are allowed to answer it, but anyway.... I will try, but I need more info. See below. > > As you know, a lot of software released by UCB in their BSDs in the 80s and > 90s was code contributed from elsewhere. Obviously (to us), some of this > code was derived from AT&T/USL code, and other things (like the TCP/IP code, > the virtual memory, the fast file system, and applications like Sendmail) > were not derived from AT&T/USL code at all. > > Now, I have a couple of contributors to 2.xBSD and 4.xBSD who are annoyed > because they are unsure of the legal status of their code. They believe > that one of the terms of the UCB/USL agreement is that _all_ BSD releases > prior to 4.4-Lite are _wholly_ tainted, and so their own code is now tainted. Who has advised them that this tainting exists? Do they see ATT or USL copyrights in any of the sources they are distributing? If so, please send me a list of the modules in which such copyrights appear, and a few of the sample headers that show date/time/copyright/etc > Is there any way that SCO can clear up this legal ambiguity? I will see what I can find out. It's been a long time since I've annoyed our legal staff and I am sure they are wondering if I'm OK. > What I am asking for is: can these people publicaly release the old > versions of their software (which happened to be bundled in the BSDs) > without being sued? I would say they are quite safe, but that's just my opinion, not an official SCO "permission". > > I know that the details of the UCB/USL agreement are confidential, but > this these contributors. Garbled transmission above. > > If you can help in any way, I'd certainly appreciate it! See what you can find out from your colleagues, these developers. -Dion > > Many thanks again, > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/03/15 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA09007; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:52:18 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199903150952.UAA09007@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Legal Question To: dionj@sco.com (Dion Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:52:18 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 1185 Lines: 33 Hi Dion, How's things going? I have a tricky legal question, and I don't know if you/SCO are allowed to answer it, but anyway.... As you know, a lot of software released by UCB in their BSDs in the 80s and 90s was code contributed from elsewhere. Obviously (to us), some of this code was derived from AT&T/USL code, and other things (like the TCP/IP code, the virtual memory, the fast file system, and applications like Sendmail) were not derived from AT&T/USL code at all. Now, I have a couple of contributors to 2.xBSD and 4.xBSD who are annoyed because they are unsure of the legal status of their code. They believe that one of the terms of the UCB/USL agreement is that _all_ BSD releases prior to 4.4-Lite are _wholly_ tainted, and so their own code is now tainted. Is there any way that SCO can clear up this legal ambiguity? What I am asking for is: can these people publicaly release the old versions of their software (which happened to be bundled in the BSDs) without being sued? I know that the details of the UCB/USL agreement are confidential, but this these contributors. If you can help in any way, I'd certainly appreciate it! Many thanks again, Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/03/16 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA10127; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:07:32 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199903152207.JAA10127@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Legal Question In-Reply-To: <19990315124546.06257@sco.com> from Dion Johnson at "Mar 15, 1999 12:45:46 pm" To: dionj@sco.COM (Dion Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:07:32 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Content-Length: 6225 Lines: 139 In article by Dion Johnson: > > How's things going? I have a tricky legal question, and I don't > > know if you/SCO are allowed to answer it, but anyway.... > I will try, but I need more info. See below. The trickiness in this problem is because some of it can't be revealed. Here's the story: UCB brought out the 2nd Networking release (aka Net2) in 1991. This was similar to a normal BSD release (i.e lots of applications, libraries, and kernel code), but UCB believed that they had only released the files not contaminated by AT&T code. In 1992, USL files suit against UCB, alleging that parts of Net2 affected their intellectual property rights, and trade secrets. In 1994, the suit was dismissed in an out of court agreement between the two parties. Here is (part of) what was publically released: The settlement restricts further use and distri- bution of certain files in the Second Networking Release and requires that certain files in 4.4 BSD-Lite include a USL copyright notice. In addition to providing several enhancements, the new 4.4 BSD-Lite Release will replace most of the restricted files and incorporates all the agreed-upon modifications and notices. Thus, 4.4 BSD-Lite will not require a license from nor payment of royalties to USL. The University strongly recommends that 4.4 BSD-Lite be substi- tuted for Net2. Although it has denied the University's claims, USL has also agreed to affix the University's copyright notice to certain files distributed with future releases of the UNIX system and to give credit to the University for material derived from BSD releases which have been included in the UNIX system. Now things get thicker. It is known that both parties signed non-disclosure on the actual agreement. This means that the actual list of `restricted' Net2 files cannot be released by either party. The effect that this has is to prevent anything in Net2: applications, libraries, contributed programs, from being publically released, in case it contains one of more of the `restricted' Net2 files. Because the list of restricted files is unknown, we can't take the risk of using anything in Net2. > > Now, I have a couple of contributors to 2.xBSD and 4.xBSD who are annoyed > > because they are unsure of the legal status of their code. They believe > > that one of the terms of the UCB/USL agreement is that _all_ BSD releases >> prior to 4.4-Lite are _wholly_ tainted, and so their own code is now tainted. The theory goes like this: + One of my files/programs was released as part of Net2 + I cannot prove that it is free of AT&T code, because I don't have the list of tainted files. + All prior and subsequent releases of my files/programs are thus tarred with the same uncertainty > Do they see ATT or USL copyrights in any of the sources they are > distributing? If so, please send me a list of the modules in which > such copyrights appear, and a few of the sample headers that show > date/time/copyright/etc The problem is that none of the Net2 files had AT&T/USL copyright notices on them: UCB thought that they were taint-free. However, the agreement marks some of these files as tainted. We just don't know which. > > What I am asking for is: can these people publicaly release the old > > versions of their software (which happened to be bundled in the BSDs) > > without being sued? > I would say they are quite safe, but that's just my opinion, not an official > SCO "permission". > See what you can find out from your colleagues, these developers. > -Dion The developers are just concerned: they don't know where they stand wrt their code. I've had some email back from Keith Bostic (from UCB), which is attached. Thanks again, Warren > Now, I have a couple of contributors to 2.xBSD and 4.xBSD who are annoyed > because they are unsure of the legal status of their code. They believe > that one of the terms of the UCB/USL agreement is that _all_ BSD releases > prior to 4.4-Lite are _wholly_ tainted, and so their own code is now tainted. This isn't the case. First, because Berkeley did not require contribution of copyright, any software contributor retained all rights in their code that they had before the contribution. So, any contributor can do anything they want with the code they contributed. It would be impossible for any agreement between AT&T and UC Berkeley to affect rights held by the original authors in their original work. That said, after the code was contributed, Berkeley could have mixed proprietary code with the contributed code, in which case the files as released by Berkeley could be tainted. (It's pretty unlikely, but it's possible.) Reviewing the copyright of the file as released by Berkeley should resolve that question. If the copyright, as released by Berkeley, is clean, then the file is clean. There are a very, very few exceptions -- the 9 files or so that Berkeley removed from the 4.4BSD-Lite, described in the letter that Berkeley sent out subsequent to the AT&T settlement -- other than for those files in that particular release, the copyright should settle the question as to whether the BSD release of the file was tainted. > What I am asking for is: can these people publicaly release the old > versions of their software (which happened to be bundled in the BSDs) > without being sued? I am assuming that they can prove their code is > untainted. There are two forms of this question: 1: Can I release foo.c, which I gave a copy of to Berkeley for inclusion in the BSD releases? 2: Can I release foo.c, as found in a Berkeley release? The answer to #1 is that the author's rights to the software are entirely unaffected by whether or not the author contributed a copy to Berkeley for inclusion in 4BSD. If the software was "free" before contribution, it's free after contribution, if it was "tainted" before contribution, it's tainted after contribution. The answer to #2 is as described above -- look at the copyright notice in the BSD release, make sure it's not one of the 9 files from that single release, and then make the decision. --keith
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/05/18 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03870 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 19 May 1999 01:39:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA19434 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 19 May 1999 01:39:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa000ZI; Tue May 18 08:34:08 1999 Message-ID: <19990518082909.47946@sco.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:29:09 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: More AU Licenses References: <199905180215.MAA03069@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 930 Lines: 31 I asked Mona (our admin) and Davidey about it. I dont know where they are or what is their system. Things are fair to middlin'. SCO is floundering along as usual and I'm tired of throwing away my life working when there is no chance to either succeed or fail. I think I need a new job, but the commute to Silicon Valley is murderous. Must be Spring Fever! I wanna go camping, take a few days off, take some photos, work on my truck, dig in the garden, go visit my friends in SF, etc etc etc. Growr! ;-) I hope things are good with you. I guess it's wintery there now eh? Does it get cold in your part of Oz? -Dion On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 12:15:14PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > Hi Dion, > Just got the latest batch of AU licenses, AU-147 to AU-150, but > I'm missing AU-145 and AU-146. Could you DHL, or fax them perhaps? My > fax is +61 2 6268 8581. > > Hope things are going well there. > > Ciao, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/05/26 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA13159 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:47:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id CAA07558 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:47:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa004Ke; Wed May 26 09:43:35 1999 Message-ID: <19990526093710.37102@sco.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:37:10 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: franco.tassone@rgn.it Cc: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au, infomail@sco.COM Subject: Payment system for Ancient Unix license References: <199905252351.JAA05368@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 1376 Lines: 37 Franco, The only payment method we have available for the Ancient Unix License is to send some kind of bank check (cashier's check), International money order, or send credit card details. There is no online secure payment system for this product. Thanks for your interest, -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com Developer Tools and Technical Customers' Advocate. 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 831-427-5417 Voice: 831-427-7565 On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 09:51:57AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > Dion, can you help this guy out? > Ta, > Warren > ----- Forwarded message from Franco Tassone ----- > From: Franco Tassone <franco.tassone@rgn.it> > To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au > Subject: Info request > > I'm very interested in obtaining the source license for PDP Unix. > My only question is that I can't find a valid payment method for > acquiring that license: SCO says to write down the details of my VISA > card, or to enclose a cheque in and to send it... > I wrote SCO asking for a Secure Server payment system, as they do for > free unix... no answer. > No other possibilities for such a payment, I know the amount isn't very > much; a bank sleep [slip? wkt] would be ideal for me. > Can you help me in this payment please ? > Thanks in advance. > ----- End of forwarded message from Franco Tassone -----
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/06/22 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA82582 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:57:33 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA16138 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:57:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa005xg; Tue Jun 22 16:41:56 1999 Message-ID: <19990622163041.12011@sco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:30:41 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: More AU Licenses References: <19990518082909.47946@sco.com> <199905182315.JAA04807@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199905182315.JAA04807@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; from Warren Toomey on Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:15:18AM +1000 Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 1275 Lines: 32 On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:15:18AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > Going back to SCO floundering, what's the feeling inside there? I was > wondering how SCO sees itself in the long-term future of Unix. With the > enormous popularity of Linux, you guys must be feeling the pinch. How's > SCO going to differentiate itself from the crowd? > Cheers, > Warren It's hard for me to give an objective answer. We have many opinions here, many being quite different. The popularity of Linux is not that bad for SCO... remember that every Windows NT user won over to Linux is also a prospect for SCO's Unix (for one reason or another). I can explain the value of SCO to a Linux user a lot better than to an NT user. We should be differentiating ourselves on quality and support, along with some high-end special features. I think we can stay ahead on the technology curve if we want to (i.e., our executives decide to invest in that). But I am not sure that we have the sense to realize that complete, utter quality is a nonnegotiable requirement for serious users, especially developers and technical users. I see lots of contradictory news... but the SCO good news stories dont seem to get much press play. Still, we've done very well in the last two quarters. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/08/15 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA02763 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 03:59:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id DAA21313 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 03:59:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa003yR; Sun Aug 15 11:01:36 1999 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:55:23 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au, David Eyes <davidey@sco.COM> Cc: christi@sco.COM, eileenm@sco.COM Subject: Re: UCDavis' UNIX Licenses Message-ID: <19990815105523.A28179@sco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 2247 Lines: 61 Warren, The free* stuff is now handled by my friend and colleague David Eyes. David is mgr of the developer program group here, as well as holding responsibility for free* stuff. David: This is a case where (if I guess rightly) someone wants to forego the $100 Ancient Unix license from SCO because his university has a source license from AT&T. I suspect that without study of the actual license text, we cannot be sure. I'd recommend that we either freebie him the license, or advise him that his university license is sufficient. Your call... -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - dionj@sco.com SCO, Inc 400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 831-427-5417 Voice: 831-427-7565 On Sat, Aug 14, 1999 at 02:48:21PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > [ Summary: David O'Brian believes he is covered by the UNIX > source licence as held by UC Davis. However .... ] > > In article by David O'Brien: > > This is going to be *very* difficult... the hardcopies are archived and > > very difficult to get to. UCB (University of California, Berkeley) holds > > the license paper work for all UC's. I have called UCB's Licensing group > > and they almost laughed me off the phone when I asked for the paperwork > > (due to how old and unaccessible the information is). > > > > This is the information we (EE-CS dept at our campus) gave to DEC when we > > got Ultrix source: > > > > AT&T License Agreement #(e.g. soft-99999) > > UCD #900/BE/012/00 > > AT&T License #E-soft-00089 Supplement 48 > > Customer Name as Shown on AT&T Agreement > > University of California > > Location of AT&T License CPU > > All Campus's - License at Berkeley > > System at Davis > > CPU type of AT&T licensed CPU > > 8600 > > Serial # of AT&T licensed CPU > > 8608306N > > FX01966 > > > > Is this suffient? > > -- David > > David, I see your problem. I am cc'ing the email to my SCO contact, and > also to Kirk McKusick who may help to shed some light (or who may not!). > > My hands are tied until somehow I can verify that you are indeed covered > by a licence. Hopefully, SCO or Kirk might be able to help. > > Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/08/15 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA02795 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 04:06:37 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id EAA21351 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 04:06:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa004Cz; Sun Aug 15 11:08:06 1999 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:58:37 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: UCDavis' UNIX Licenses Message-ID: <19990815105837.B28179@sco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1776 Lines: 51 Warren: You will probably have to ping DavidEy a couple times; he is very busy. I trust things are nice in AU today. We are about to start SCO's annual week-long conference. We hold it up at Univ Calif Santa Cruz campus, very pretty place. On Sat, Aug 14, 1999 at 02:48:21PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > [ Summary: David O'Brian believes he is covered by the UNIX > source licence as held by UC Davis. However .... ] > > In article by David O'Brien: > > This is going to be *very* difficult... the hardcopies are archived and > > very difficult to get to. UCB (University of California, Berkeley) holds > > the license paper work for all UC's. I have called UCB's Licensing group > > and they almost laughed me off the phone when I asked for the paperwork > > (due to how old and unaccessible the information is). > > > > This is the information we (EE-CS dept at our campus) gave to DEC when we > > got Ultrix source: > > > > AT&T License Agreement #(e.g. soft-99999) > > UCD #900/BE/012/00 > > AT&T License #E-soft-00089 Supplement 48 > > Customer Name as Shown on AT&T Agreement > > University of California > > Location of AT&T License CPU > > All Campus's - License at Berkeley > > System at Davis > > CPU type of AT&T licensed CPU > > 8600 > > Serial # of AT&T licensed CPU > > 8608306N > > FX01966 > > > > Is this suffient? > > -- David > > David, I see your problem. I am cc'ing the email to my SCO contact, and > also to Kirk McKusick who may help to shed some light (or who may not!). > > My hands are tied until somehow I can verify that you are indeed covered > by a licence. Hopefully, SCO or Kirk might be able to help. > > Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/08/19 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (csadfa-21.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA37580 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:21:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@sco.COM) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA21923 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:21:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa004wP; Thu Aug 19 15:24:07 1999 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:17:32 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: UCDavis' UNIX Licenses Message-ID: <19990819151731.B21649@sco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 1273 Lines: 38 On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 09:41:14AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Dion Johnson: > > Warren: You will probably have to ping DavidEy a couple times; > > he is very busy. > > > > I trust things are nice in AU today. We are about to start > > SCO's annual week-long conference. We hold it up at Univ Calif > > Santa Cruz campus, very pretty place. > > Hi Dion, sorry I forgot that the AU stuff was passed to David. Must be end of > summer there, nice weather? What sort of conference is it? I've seen several About 70F in the daytime, 55 at night. The conference is our annual love-in for customers and developers. Lotsa new people this year, and more than half from outside North America. > notices around w.r.t SCO's `support' of Linux (binary emulation etc.) I guess > they must be having some impact then. We started shipping the linux emulator quite a while ago. Naturally, I was a supporter of it. I think Linux has helped out business a great deal in the last year, just due to our being "close" to it, Unix-wise. > Yes, it's pretty good here right now, end of winter, the days are 15'C and > sunny. > > How often should I ping DavidEy? I don't want to p*ss him off straightaway :) Once a week makes sense. -Dion > > Thanks! > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/09/14 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31656 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:00:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA26316 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:00:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from mammoth.sco.COM(132.147.46.9) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa000Wk; Tue Sep 14 14:54:24 1999 Received: from davidey.pdev.sco.com by mammoth.sco.com id aa08510; 14 Sep 99 14:47 PDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990914214739.0067e6d4@mammoth.sco.com> X-Sender: davidey@mammoth.sco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:47:39 -0700 To: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM>, Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au> From: David Eyes <davidey@sco.COM> Subject: Re: Being Tainted by Ancient UNIX Code Cc: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org> Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2971 Lines: 84 I generally would tend to align with dionj's slant. I think it would be useful if Theo could go on record respecting his intentions relative to his wanting to see source vis-a-vis his role as a BSD project leader. Aside from just being merely interesting and informative from our point of view, it would read in to the record the scope of his intended use. It is possible that there would be uses, in violation of the license, that we would want to take steps to discourage, but I'm assuming for the moment that Theo is motivated by intellectual/professional curiosity. At 10:07 AM 9/14/99 -0700, Dion Johnson wrote: >For an authoritative answer, you need to talk to David Eyes >(davidey@sco.com) who is the owner in Marketing of "free stuff" >for SCO. David will doubtless ask SCO's Legal folks. > >MHO is that > >0) Theo's concerns are not warranted. > >1) There should be no such thing as a "promise to stick to the >nondisclosure". The terms about confidentiality are part of the >contract. There is no other agreement involved, no "promises". >You either sign and honor the contract, or you dont. ;-) > >2) SCO truly, deeply would hate to get into litigation over any >aspects of this. We are a product company, not a litigation >business. The Ancient Unix source license was written to >provide reasonable and flexible terms that would not engender >paranoia about litigation. We did our best. Please believe >our intentions are honorable and seeking to cooperate with >Unix enthusiasts. > >3) I dont think we want to waste time making more agreements >about agreements. ;-) > >But like I said, this is just my opinion. For the true word, >talk to DavidEy. >-Dion > >On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 05:00:49PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: >> Dion, >> You may have heard of Theo de Raadt, one of the developers of OpenBSD. >> He is interested in obtaining an Ancient UNIX license. However, he is worried >> that being `tainted' by such source may open him up to future litigation, >> given that OpenBSD is currently a clean-room implementation of Unix. >> >> The last bit of our email was: >> >> [Warren] >> > > I have a contact inside SCO, Dion Johnson, who helped >> > > get the personal license through in the first place. We could try to set >> > > up a dialogue so that you could promise to stick to the non-disclosure, >> > > and they could promise not to sue you without REAL HARD evidence that you >> > > broke non-disclosure. >> >> [Theo] >> > I would like that. I'm a project leader, it's important. >> >> Is there scope for some memorandum of understanding between SCO and OpenBSD? >> I can't imagine you guys would sue OpenBSD, but I guess Theo remembers the >> AT&T/USL lawsuit, which of course was based on 32V taintedness. >> >> What can be done to relieve Theo's fears so that he can go for an AU license? >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Warren > -- David Eyes Manager Developer Programs 831-427-7532 (voice) 831-427-5472 (fax)
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/09/14 Received: from csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.6]) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31057 for <wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:21:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from sco.sco.COM (sco.sco.COM [132.147.128.9]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id DAA24524 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:21:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from tahoe.pdev.sco.COM(132.147.193.8) via SMTP by sco.sco.COM, id smtpdBAAa004wA; Tue Sep 14 10:14:12 1999 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:07:02 -0700 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@sco.COM> To: Warren Toomey <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au> Cc: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>, David Eyes <davidey@sco.COM> Subject: Re: Being Tainted by Ancient UNIX Code Message-ID: <19990914100702.I4585@sco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: dionj@sco.COM Status: RO Content-Length: 2204 Lines: 60 For an authoritative answer, you need to talk to David Eyes (davidey@sco.com) who is the owner in Marketing of "free stuff" for SCO. David will doubtless ask SCO's Legal folks. MHO is that 0) Theo's concerns are not warranted. 1) There should be no such thing as a "promise to stick to the nondisclosure". The terms about confidentiality are part of the contract. There is no other agreement involved, no "promises". You either sign and honor the contract, or you dont. ;-) 2) SCO truly, deeply would hate to get into litigation over any aspects of this. We are a product company, not a litigation business. The Ancient Unix source license was written to provide reasonable and flexible terms that would not engender paranoia about litigation. We did our best. Please believe our intentions are honorable and seeking to cooperate with Unix enthusiasts. 3) I dont think we want to waste time making more agreements about agreements. ;-) But like I said, this is just my opinion. For the true word, talk to DavidEy. -Dion On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 05:00:49PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > Dion, > You may have heard of Theo de Raadt, one of the developers of OpenBSD. > He is interested in obtaining an Ancient UNIX license. However, he is worried > that being `tainted' by such source may open him up to future litigation, > given that OpenBSD is currently a clean-room implementation of Unix. > > The last bit of our email was: > > [Warren] > > > I have a contact inside SCO, Dion Johnson, who helped > > > get the personal license through in the first place. We could try to set > > > up a dialogue so that you could promise to stick to the non-disclosure, > > > and they could promise not to sue you without REAL HARD evidence that you > > > broke non-disclosure. > > [Theo] > > I would like that. I'm a project leader, it's important. > > Is there scope for some memorandum of understanding between SCO and OpenBSD? > I can't imagine you guys would sue OpenBSD, but I guess Theo remembers the > AT&T/USL lawsuit, which of course was based on 32V taintedness. > > What can be done to relieve Theo's fears so that he can go for an AU license? > > Thanks again! > > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/1999/09/14 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id RAA23524; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:00:49 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt> Message-Id: <199909140700.RAA23524@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Being Tainted by Ancient UNIX Code In-Reply-To: <199909140648.AAA19502@cvs.openbsd.org> from Theo de Raadt at "Sep 14, 1999 0:48:44 am" To: deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org (Theo de Raadt) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:00:49 +1000 (EST) Cc: dionj@sco.com (Dion Johnson), wkt (Warren Toomey) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 1049 Lines: 31 Dion, You may have heard of Theo de Raadt, one of the developers of OpenBSD. He is interested in obtaining an Ancient UNIX license. However, he is worried that being `tainted' by such source may open him up to future litigation, given that OpenBSD is currently a clean-room implementation of Unix. The last bit of our email was: [Warren] > > I have a contact inside SCO, Dion Johnson, who helped > > get the personal license through in the first place. We could try to set > > up a dialogue so that you could promise to stick to the non-disclosure, > > and they could promise not to sue you without REAL HARD evidence that you > > broke non-disclosure. [Theo] > I would like that. I'm a project leader, it's important. Is there scope for some memorandum of understanding between SCO and OpenBSD? I can't imagine you guys would sue OpenBSD, but I guess Theo remembers the AT&T/USL lawsuit, which of course was based on 32V taintedness. What can be done to relieve Theo's fears so that he can go for an AU license? Thanks again! Warren
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From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/2002/01/23 Received: from guardian-ext.bond.edu.au (guardian-int.bond.edu.au [131.244.2.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O0lra69929 for <wkt@tuhs.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:47:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by guardian-ext.bond.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28119 for <wkt@tuhs.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:47:48 +1000 Resent-From: grog@lemis.com Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com(192.109.197.80) by guardian-ext.bond.edu.au via smap (V2.1/2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma028064; Thu, 24 Jan 02 10:46:43 +1000 Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 982A578307; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:15:41 +1030 (CST) Delivered-To: grog@lemis.com Received: from mail.ca.caldera.com (mail.ca.caldera.COM [132.147.128.30]) by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3344B7821B for <grog@lemis.com>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:33:43 +1030 (CST) Received: (qmail 14340 invoked by uid 84); 23 Jan 2002 23:03:38 -0000 Received: from dionj@caldera.com by newman.ca.caldera.com with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4121. . 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Processed in 0.182339 secs); 23 Jan 2002 23:03:38 -0000 Received: from tahoe.ca.caldera.com (132.147.152.5) by mail.ca.caldera.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 23:03:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:03:37 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <dionj@caldera.com> To: wht@minnie.tuhs.org Cc: dmr@bell-labs.com, ken@plan9.bell-labs.com, grog@lemis.com, John Terpstra <jht@caldera.com>, drew@caldera.com, maddog@li.org, evan@starnix.com, phatch@caldera.com, ransom@caldera.com Subject: Liberal license for ancient UNIX sources Message-ID: <20020123150337.A12595@sco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: dionj@caldera.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:15:41 +1030 Resent-To: Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> Resent-Message-Id: <20020124004541.982A578307@wantadilla.lemis.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 24986 Lines: 405 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Dear Warren, and friends, I'm happy to let you know that Caldera International has placed the ancient UNIX releases (V1-7 and 32V) under a "BSD-style" license. I've attached a PDF of the license letter hereto. Feel free to propogate it as you see fit. I apologize that this has taken so long. We do not have a well regulated archive of these ancient releases, so we must depend upon you UNIX enthusiasts, historians, and original authors to help the community of interested parties figure out exactly what is available, where, and how. Many thanks to Warren Toomey, of PUPS, and to Caldera's Bill Broderick, director of licensing services here. Both of these gentlemen were instrumental in making this happen. And thanks to our CEO, Ransom Love, whose vision for Caldera International prescribes cooperation and mutual respect for the open source communities. Of course, there are thousands of other people who should be acknowledged. I regret I do not have time or wisdom to make a list of them all, but maybe someone does, or has. Anyway, here it is. Feel free to write to us if you want to understand more about how/why Caldera International has released this code, or you have any other comments that we should hear. Sincerely, Dion L. Johnson II - dionj@caldera.com Product Manager and one of many open source enthusiasts in Caldera Intl. 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From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/2002/01/23 Received: from guardian-ext.bond.edu.au (guardian-int.bond.edu.au [131.244.2.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O0Cla66901 for <wkt@tuhs.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:12:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@caldera.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by guardian-ext.bond.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27105 for <wkt@tuhs.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:12:44 +1000 From: dionj@caldera.com Received: from unknown(131.236.20.6) by guardian-ext.bond.edu.au via smap (V2.1/2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma027092; Thu, 24 Jan 02 10:12:22 +1000 Received: from charon.itsc.adfa.edu.au (charon.itsc.adfa.edu.au [131.236.201.1]) by csadfa.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA21074 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:12:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from mail.ca.caldera.com (mail.ca.caldera.COM [132.147.128.30]) by charon.itsc.adfa.edu.au (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0O0CIHh004957 for <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:12:20 +1100 (EST) Received: (qmail 21360 invoked by uid 84); 24 Jan 2002 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from dionj@caldera.com by newman.ca.caldera.com with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4121. . Clean. Processed in 0.129383 secs); 24 Jan 2002 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from tahoe.ca.caldera.com (132.147.152.5) by mail.ca.caldera.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 00:12:13 -0000 Received: from ip-132147250031.ca.caldera.com by tahoe.ca.caldera.com id aa16937; 23 Jan 2002 16:12 PST Message-ID: <000501c1a46b$b49e1740$1ffa9384@pdev.ca.caldera.com> Reply-To: <dionj@caldera.com> To: <wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: unix history graphing Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:11:42 -0800 Organization: Caldera International MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 156 Lines: 10 Warren is this project still active? I see you do not have files for XENIX or OpenServer or Open UNIX, and the info for UnixWare is very scant. -Dion
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/2002/01/23 Received: from guardian-ext.bond.edu.au (guardian-int.bond.edu.au [131.244.2.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NNtfa65491 for <wkt@minnie.tuhs.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:55:41 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dionj@caldera.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by guardian-ext.bond.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26587 for <wkt@minnie.tuhs.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:55:38 +1000 Received: from mail.ca.caldera.com(132.147.128.30) by guardian-ext.bond.edu.au via smap (V2.1/2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma026581; Thu, 24 Jan 02 09:55:30 +1000 Received: (qmail 19837 invoked by uid 84); 23 Jan 2002 23:55:28 -0000 Received: from dionj@caldera.com by newman.ca.caldera.com with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4121. . Clean. 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From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/2002/01/24 Received: from guardian-ext.bond.edu.au (guardian-int.bond.edu.au [131.244.2.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O0qNa70326 for <wkt@tuhs.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:52:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by guardian-ext.bond.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28278 for <wkt@tuhs.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:52:20 +1000 Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com(192.109.197.80) by guardian-ext.bond.edu.au via smap (V2.1/2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma028271; Thu, 24 Jan 02 10:52:03 +1000 Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 131E6782D0; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:22:00 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:22:00 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Dion Johnson <dionj@caldera.com> Cc: Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> Subject: Re: Liberal license for ancient UNIX sources Message-ID: <20020124112200.A80346@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020123150337.A12595@sco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020123150337.A12595@sco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 605 Lines: 20 On Wednesday, 23 January 2002 at 15:03:37 -0800, Dion Johnson wrote: > Dear Warren, and friends, > > I'm happy to let you know that Caldera International has placed > the ancient UNIX releases (V1-7 and 32V) under a "BSD-style" license. > I've attached a PDF of the license letter hereto. Feel free to > propogate it as you see fit. Dion, I've just had a bounce from Warren. He's left ADFA and is now working in Queensland. His current mail address is wkt@tuhs.org, which hopefully won't change. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/2003/11/24 Return-Path: <dionj@redacted.com> X-Original-To: wkt@tuhs.org Delivered-To: wkt@tuhs.org Received: from front3.mail.megapathdsl.net (front3.mail.megapathdsl.net [66.80.60.32]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE6C1E83 for <wkt@tuhs.org>; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:17:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from [64.139.32.214] (HELO redacted) by front3.mail.megapathdsl.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.3) with ESMTP id 110170818 for wkt@tuhs.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:17:14 -0800 From: "Dion L. Johnson II" <dionj@redacted.com> To: "'Warren Toomey'" <wkt@tuhs.org> Subject: RE: Greetings, news, etc. from Dion Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:17:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c3b30b$0050bfd0$01fea8c0@redacted> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20031125023345.GA63294@minnie.tuhs.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1817 Lines: 50 PS: Another guy who knows some Unix history is Peter Salus. You know = him? > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Toomey [mailto:wkt@tuhs.org] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:34 PM > To: Dion L. Johnson II > Subject: Re: Greetings, news, etc. from Dion >=20 > > Your invitation is very kind. Maybe someday I will visit Australia; = I > don't > > know. I visited my cousin in England a couple years ago and = thoroughly > > enjoyed it. (She's married to Sir Gordon Hobday, so now I guess I = am > > related to the nobility (by marriage, if not by blood).) I like the > idea of > > visiting countries where I have some slight chance of understanding = the > > native language. ;-) >=20 > Well, we speak funny here, and you can probably talk me into saying > "G'day". >=20 > > Anyway, it sounds like you are doing well. Keep up your good works, = and > let > > me know what you can about the work with IBM (so far as is proper = for > you to > > reveal). I'm curious, at least, how this is going to progress. >=20 > Ok, well I'm reading www.groklaw.net every day to keep up on the = latest > legal and PR events. I've written a C code comparison tool, see > http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Ctcompare, which might help to see > if there is really any SysV code in Linux. However, obtaining recent > SysV code is not easy, but I've tried it on old SysV source and found > nothing. >=20 > For IBM, I'm (one of?) their UNIX history people. I'm tracking down > books, articles, papers etc. that explain UNIX methods and techniques. > There's quite a lot of books, and some are recent too. IBM also want > to find out how accessible was the source code generally, e.g. to > students at unis etc. Of course, I can also give details on the > geneaology of the source code itself. >=20 > Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/2003/11/24 Return-Path: <dionj@redacted.com> X-Original-To: wkt@tuhs.org Delivered-To: wkt@tuhs.org Received: from front1.mail.megapathdsl.net (front1.mail.megapathdsl.net [66.80.60.31]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00281E67 for <wkt@tuhs.org>; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:16:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from [64.139.32.214] (HELO redacted) by front1.mail.megapathdsl.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.3) with ESMTP id 131140541 for wkt@tuhs.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:16:35 -0800 From: "Dion L. Johnson II" <dionj@redacted.com> To: "'Warren Toomey'" <wkt@tuhs.org> Subject: The licenses, and some comments Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:16:33 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c3b30a$e8c58710$01fea8c0@redacted> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20031125023345.GA63294@minnie.tuhs.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 3681 Lines: 102 Well... you may (or may not) know that SCO used to have a SYS V source = code license for universities, perhaps as recent as 2000 or so. And there = are a zillion old ATT source licenses, some maybe to universities besides Berkeley. I don't have copies of those licenses but they clearly are intended to permit teaching of concepts and techniques. =20 Don't forget Sun was allowing all kinds of licenses for Sys V.4, = (Solaris) their version, which was licensed from ATT. One guy who knows a LOT about SCO licensing (and Caldera) is Bill = Broderick. Bill lives in NJ. I don't know if he's still working for SCOG but he = may be, so approach him with care. There are of course a number of other = people who know (knew) about the ATT, Novell, USL, SCO, and Caldera licensing = over the years. And don't forget that many of the source code licenses had provisions for sublicensing, and assorted T&C for allowing contractors = and other people to see the source. =20 You might find some Sys V source code somewhere that is incorporated = into Linux - but damned little of it. Of course, any at all may be a = problem... or maybe not, depending on how it got there. The contributors, authors, = IP originators of Unix while not as many as Linux, are surely in the = thousands of programmers, over several decades. Mike Davidson probably knows a = little about this. Another interesting angle that bears investigation is to look into what Linux code or IP may have found its way into SCO products! Surely if = there was "technology transfer" it must have been a 2-way street. The bottom line is that the legal envelope SCOG is trying to establish = has a million holes in it; it will never stand up such that they will be able = to extract royalties from everyone in the world. (IMNSHO) At best, I think they might get IBM to pay them some modest amount to just go away and = shut up. All of this just between you and me, of course. Not that there are any secrets in what I say; I just don't want to get subpoenaed.=20 -Dion > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Toomey [mailto:wkt@tuhs.org] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:34 PM > To: Dion L. Johnson II > Subject: Re: Greetings, news, etc. from Dion >=20 > > Your invitation is very kind. Maybe someday I will visit Australia; = I > don't > > know. I visited [redacted] a couple years ago and = thoroughly > > enjoyed it. ([redacted] = am > > [redacted] I like the > idea of > > visiting countries where I have some slight chance of understanding = the > > native language. ;-) >=20 > Well, we speak funny here, and you can probably talk me into saying > "G'day". >=20 > > Anyway, it sounds like you are doing well. Keep up your good works, = and > let > > me know what you can about the work with IBM (so far as is proper = for > you to > > reveal). I'm curious, at least, how this is going to progress. >=20 > Ok, well I'm reading www.groklaw.net every day to keep up on the = latest > legal and PR events. I've written a C code comparison tool, see > http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Ctcompare, which might help to see > if there is really any SysV code in Linux. However, obtaining recent > SysV code is not easy, but I've tried it on old SysV source and found > nothing. >=20 > For IBM, I'm (one of?) their UNIX history people. I'm tracking down > books, articles, papers etc. that explain UNIX methods and techniques. > There's quite a lot of books, and some are recent too. IBM also want > to find out how accessible was the source code generally, e.g. to > students at unis etc. Of course, I can also give details on the > geneaology of the source code itself. >=20 > Cheers, > Warren
From mairix@mairix Mon Jan 1 12:34:56 1970 X-source-folder: /home/wkt/Mail_archive/2003/11/25 Return-Path: <dionj@redacted.com> X-Original-To: wkt@tuhs.org Delivered-To: wkt@tuhs.org Received: from front3.mail.megapathdsl.net (front3.mail.megapathdsl.net [66.80.60.32]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBA81F15 for <wkt@tuhs.org>; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 05:34:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from [64.139.32.214] (HELO redacted) by front3.mail.megapathdsl.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.3) with ESMTP id 110307213 for wkt@tuhs.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:34:26 -0800 From: "Dion L. Johnson II" <dionj@redacted.com> To: "'Warren Toomey'" <wkt@tuhs.org> Subject: RE: The licenses, and some comments Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:34:26 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c3b38b$23043450$01fea8c0@redacted> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20031125064800.GA65621@minnie.tuhs.org> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Status: RO Content-Length: 2190 Lines: 70 > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 08:16:33PM -0800, Dion L. Johnson II wrote: > > Well... you may (or may not) know that SCO used to have a SYS V = source > code > > license for universities, perhaps as recent as 2000 or so. >=20 > Can you find or do you know pointers to this license? Even keywords or = old > URLs, so I can hunt it down in the Wayback machine. It would probably have been named "academic license", and would be = related to SCO's academic or university relations area, perhaps under training.=20 There was an "academic seeding program" handled at one time by Tisa = Murdoch, which provided source code to universities.=20 > > Don't forget Sun was allowing all kinds of licenses for Sys V.4, > (Solaris) > > their version, which was licensed from ATT. >=20 > Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that too! See if you can find a report from D.H.Brown & Associates: 2001 UNIX FUNCTION REVIEW D. H. Brown Associates, Inc. 222 Grace Church St. Port Chester, NY 10573 =20 There was a lot of interesting info in this document, but I am not sure = who owned it. A copy might have to be purchased. >=20 > > One guy who knows a LOT about SCO licensing (and Caldera) is Bill > Broderick. > > Bill lives in NJ. I don't know if he's still working for SCOG but = he > may > > be, so approach him with care. >=20 > Do you have any contact details? I came across this, interestingly: http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/20030910161904.GA8702@zgp.org.html Anyway, I think Bill may still be working for SCO Group, so you would = need to be careful about trying to talk to him directly. >=20 > > Another interesting angle that bears investigation is to look into = what > > Linux code or IP may have found its way into SCO products! Surely = if > there > > was "technology transfer" it must have been a 2-way street. >=20 > Yes, I was thinking about that. Did you ever hear of any such = technology > transfer? What about the Linux Personality module? =20 Yes, what about that? How could they implement a Linux compatibility = that was very low level, and accurate, without using any Linux IP???? Well, any thoughtful programmer would think of this question; it's not = some kind of dark secret.